Working Part Time While at Jazz

[pilot200]

Does Jazz approve of Pilot's flying part time with other operator's. Thinking about instructing or freelancing on a King Air.

[Flying Low]

The answer is yes...and no. Depends on who you want to work for. It's in the COM.

Oh...and once you have permission...you have to plan your extraciricular flying around your schedule at Jazz and stay within the 705 rules for time off, etc.

[pilot200]

Thanks for the reply.

[jazzpilot]

Isn't that pitiful Our F/Os have to work second jobs at this level of our careers to make ends meet!!! Unless you just want to work extra because you enjoy it, I guess that would be different. I think that tells me something about our contract and the negotiations that are coming up! Good luck to all.

[Flying Low]

Don't get me wrong...on the money Jazz pays me...it's nice to have a little extra income. But to be honest...I missed bombing around in the MU2.

[flyinhigh]

Exactly, airline jobs are great, but the flying is boring. I always catch myself thinking back from when I was bombing around in the HO, and on the floats doing fishing trips.

[Four1oh]

Isn't that pitiful Our F/Os have to work second jobs at this level of our careers to make ends meet!!! Unless you just want to work extra because you enjoy it, I guess that would be different. I think that tells me something about our contract and the negotiations that are coming up! Good luck to all.

no one forced anyone to accept that payscale. The rates will go up if they don't get enough pilots. Simple economics, once again.

[SQ]

no one forced anyone to accept that payscale. The rates will go up if they don't get enough pilots. Simple economics, once again.

SSSSssscrew sched doesn't seem to have probs filling the decks.
and before changing 0.01cts of any salary in that Company it will take few months and long long discussions with unions and share holders if
the union have the balls to say no, a word forgotten by all the union working for ACJazz

[bear1]

Hi All

I have looked into this and the burecrats will have to apporve it. If the company has any 705 ops then the answer is no and if they think they are any competition to JAZZ the answer is again no. It takes forever to get an answer as well. AS for the money yeah it sucks so do just the bare min to get by its the old adage you get what you pay for I know I do the min I can to stay out of trouble.

later Bear

[bae146drvr]

A friend of mine had problems getting permission to instruct and do private and commercial rides, as explained to him there were 1 problem it being company image if a Jazz pilot was involved in an incident in a "little plane"

Mike

[Swerved]

I had no problem getting permission to bomb around Northwestern Ontario (703)... not only that, but I had a letter of permission from the YYZ CP a couple of days after asking. I'd say that's not so bad...

Good luck...

Swerved.

[Pratt]

New memo out today regarding anyone doing outside work. New forms for all to fill out including those already doing outside work, supposedly nothing new in the approval process just the paperwork side. Make sure you check it out.

[AZN 027]

where can I find the list of companies that I can't work for in my time off if I work for Jazz?

[Flying Low]

I've never seen a list but generally it's no other 705 operator or anyone connected to the competition. Judging by the wording of the latest memo it sounds like people have been doing extra work and violating the CARs time free from duty requirements.

[Strega]

I've never seen a list but generally it's no other 705 operator or anyone connected to the competition. Judging by the wording of the latest memo it sounds like people have been doing extra work and violating the CARs time free from duty requirements.

Do Jazz pilots have to sign an anticompetion agreement?
if not, do what ever you want on your days off, (within TCCA regs)

[Flying Low]

In effect... yes...it is in our collective agreement that pilots "devote our entire professional flying service to the Company." Not sure if this is standard in most union flying gigs but it probably is. There is a provision in our COM to request permission to do outside work.

[Strega]

In effect... yes...it is in our collective agreement that pilots "devote our entire professional flying service to the Company." Not sure if this is standard in most union flying gigs but it probably is. There is a provision in our COM to request permission to do outside work.

I think this would hold about as much water as a sieve in court,,

In Canada, one thing employers (other than the military) cannot do, is dictate what you can and cannot do when not being paid, or in other words on your time off.

Im my line of work (Engineering) depending on who your work for, or even what your working on, you might be required to sign an anticompetion agreement, (in addition to intelectual rights agreements etc.) This anticompetion agreement is bulletproof in court, and actually does hold merit. For example at the moment, I am prohibited from working for another company (that does work similar to ours) currently, and for 36 months upon my termination.

I think if you started moonlighting flying a B200 or something, no problem.. Just as long as you would not be dutied our similar.

Lately the more Im hearing about Jazz and all the BS with it, Im becoming more and more unimpressed!

[bcflyer]

The one big difference between your line of work (engineering) and ours (aviation) is that there are no federally limiting regulations in your job. If you want to work 50 hrs a week with your current company and then moonlight on the side for another 30 hrs on the weekend there is nothing stopping you. In aviation you would quickly run into all kinds of CARS regulations that could potentially prevent you from being able to do your job for Jazz. (your principle employer) I don't think its too much to ask for a company to want to know who else you are working for on the side. Fill in the required paperwork, get the approval and you're good to go. Not that big of a deal....