Sweeping condemnation of TC's approach to aviation safety

[CID]

Yah. I guess you're all right. Thats why we have so many airplanes falling out of the sky here in Canada. We must have one of the most dangerous aviation industries in the world!

I see the light! TC is a massive failure. I'm never flying on a Canadian airline again!

[Chuck Ellsworth]

There you go rigpiggy, another to the point comment by CID that really gets to the core of these discussions.

[CID]

More like a short lapse of reason as I respond to your windup Cat. Oh well. I'm only human.

[Widow]

Did anyone happen to notice that this article was a Canadian Federal Pilots Association press release?

http://www.cfpa-apfc.ca/eng/

In other words, on behalf of the Transport Canada Civil Aviation inspectors ... That rather makes me think that the inspectorate, as a whole, is concerned that they are not doing (or are not able to do) their jobs adequately.

[snoopy]

Say there sister... if you returned your phone messages you might learn more about that...

[Widow]

I didn't get a phone message ... ????

[CID]

In other words, on behalf of the Transport Canada Civil Aviation inspectors ... That rather makes me think that the inspectorate, as a whole, is concerned that they are not doing (or are not able to do) their jobs adequately.

People are always concerned about job security and unions are always anxious to come up with new ways to alarm their membership. Remember, unions make a percentage of workers wages. If workers get a raise, so does the union. There's a lot of incentive there for unions to paint the worst possible picture.

[snoopy]

I am sure that if Mr. Holbrook actually had the time to read these forums, he would be pleased to hear that you feel his considerable efforts, and great sacrifice to his personal life are being ill-spent as an alarmist, whose sole purpuse is to fatten his wallet.

I'm sorry, what have YOU done for the industry lately? And what was your name?

[Widow]

CID, have you even read the AG's report in it's entirity? Or doesn't it fit with your agenda?

[Chuck Ellsworth]

You two are destroying my belief that females are better at multi tasking than males, arguing with CID is not supporting my belief.......

[Widow]

I can argue with CID and wipe my little ones bottom at the same time.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

I can argue with CID and wipe my little ones bottom at the same time.

O.K. thanks widow, I should have known you would recognize crap when you see it and know how to deal with it.

[CD]

as far as a failure of SMS are we talking only 703/4? Because I see SMS working really well every day at my 705 company.

No. Only 705 air operators and AMO's, as well as recently airports and air navigation services, have been required to implement an SMS program under the regulations to date. Other areas of the industry have not been mandated to ... yet. Here is the status page:

Safety Management Systems (SMS) - Implementation

[CID]

CID, have you even read the AG's report in it's entirity? Or doesn't it fit with your agenda?

Nobody's forcing you to agree with me or to type while you change diapers. I made a statement. Take it or leave it. All I know is that unions are skilled at whipping up their membership into a frenzy.

[Widow]

Are you, or are you not purposefully implying that the CFPA released this statement to the press in order to "whip the membership into a frenzy" for reasons of job security and financial gain, and not because the members themselves are concerned about "safety in our skies"?

[CID]

Are you, or are you not purposefully implying that the CFPA released this statement to the press in order to "whip the membership into a frenzy" for reasons of job security and financial gain, and not because the members themselves are concerned about "safety in our skies"?

I think I was pretty clear in my posts. You've captured the general message but of course in this case I have no evidence one way or another. It wouldn't be the first time a union has used such tactics.

One of the first things you hear from unions during labour relations are serious concerns about safety. All those concerns are usually instantly resolved when the money issues are ironed out.

What's the matter? Doesn't the spectre of union corruption fit in to your agenda?

[Widow]

Corruption, wherever it is based, fits with my agenda. The findings of the Auditor General, however, make it clear that attrition rates and training need to be addressed for SAFETY reasons. I do not, therefore, believe for one moment that the CFPA prepared this statement solely for "selfish" purposes. If I were a CFPA member, I would take great offense at your implications.

[CID]

I would take great offense at your implications.

Okee doke.