Voyageur Airways

[After Dark]

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[Doc]

Ignorance can be cured. But, stupid is forever.

[ScudRunner]

Its nice that VAL is an equal opurtunity employer willing to hire the retarted with money, this demograph has been over looked for so many years. Where did I say bonds are bad, there's a huge difference between training bond and you fronting X amount of money upfront for a job. How fucking dumb are you to defend a company that makes you pay for a job and then pays you shit, 42K for a King Air Captain??? , you are why wages are so low in the country.

If dumb asses like you stopped paying for these jobs, your wage will go up because employers like VAL can't find anyone. There is a reason why they are advertising every month for pilots, they can't find idiots like you anymore. It has nothing to do with new contracts and work.

Why would I care?? why the @#$! shouldn't I care that a scab like you is bringing the rest down. Keep drinking the cool aid there skippy.

My attitude is screwing companies???? WTF over your coming in stupid. Lets see I have and will sign training bonds work hard for them and be as efficient as possible and represent myself as an asset to there company. But front Cash to a company to work for them never.

I really hope you get the big picture one day, as Doc says and I can't believe I quoting Doc but "Ignorance can be cured. But, stupid is forever"

[After Dark]

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[Cat Driver]

After Dark, just a simple question.

Does Voyageur require new hires to pay money up front?

[After Dark]

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[Cat Driver]

Thanks for answering.

[HLH]

This is my first time posting. I am very busy so please do not comment on spelling or grammar. I write this so you have the facts. Actually the above information is incorrect. You do pay upfront bonds, $8000 for KA and $15,000 for the Dash and CRJ. Even in-house staff are required to pay this amount to advance to the Dash or CRJ. You either give them a check or you sign through VAL's bank for the loan in your name. The money is then signed over to VAL. VAL invests it in a GIC (1 percent interest). At the end of your year the money is returned. Past employees had to absorb the interest on the borrowed money (prime plus 1 percent) personally. The new policy is employees who complete the bond period submit interest receipts and the money with interest is returned to them. The bond you sign does not guarantee that you will actually fly the aircraft you thought you were signing the bond for. VAL will move you to other aircraft if they feel they need you there. Be very careful to understand exactly what you are signing. The KA positions are usually not much trouble if you sign on at a medevac base. If you want to fly KA's specify medevac position in your bond, better pay and quality of life than charters out of North Bay. The overseas positions or in-house transfers have to be careful. The morale is.... write into the bond exactly what you want in return for signing. Do not listen to any verbal promises because they will not be honored. Most importantly write in your aircraft type when signing the bond. Write in for overseas position only if that's what you want. Write in if medical reasons cause you to loose your ability to fly that the bond is returned. Have your lawyer review it before signing. If you are married and arriving for overseas as a "package deal" write in rotations must match; otherwise you and your partner might find yourself on opposite rotations. If you are signing on for a specific rotation (overseas) 2mo/2mo or 3mo/1mo, specify it in the contract. People have been burned on all of the above so do your homework. You can have a very happy stay with lots of cash if you are very specific with your contract. The only problem is getting VAL to agree to putting all of the above in your contract. The reluctance to put into writing what you have verbally been promised should be a warning sign. You are in the power position because the hiring pool is non existent and shy at least ten pilots.
The individual who did not sign is either arriving with time on type (PPC already) or in-house management. VAL makes no exceptions to the signing of the bond. This is to prevent mutiny amongst the ranks.
I'm not interesting in arguing the validity of bonds. I'm supplying this information for the benefit of those poor people that have to sign them. It absolutely s.cks to be poor.

[Nightflight]

Good job HLH. Very informative and just the kind that makes AVCANADA a great resource.

Wanted to add that unless things have changed recently, the bond is not prorated and if you choose to leave a day sooner before your year is up, they keep all of your money.

Also want to correct a previous posters information about Porter. They most certainly don't have a money up front bond. It's a prorated contract that you sign agreeing that if you leave before 2 years you will be liable for whatever is remaining. As far I know it's 20k and not 15 unless it's been changed recently.

[Cat Driver]

Do not listen to any verbal promises because they will not be honored.

There you go, what more do you need to know about this employer.

[xsbank]

Paying up front for a job is total b*llshit.

After Dark, are you in Voyageur management?

"We have your bond, therefore we can treat you like crap, because you can't afford to quit."

[V1 Rotate]

These people are pretty much criminals.

Their employees... well I'm not sure. Poor bastards in more way than one.

[ScudRunner]

[Doc]

After dark......man, how are the cheap drugs working? Kicking in yet?

[CL30]

Hi,

I have recently interview with this company. It could be a good fit for the right person however I found the 2008 payscales handed to me at the interview are below what is stated in the web job posting for which I was submitting my resume. The pay is quite low for the job requirements and work environment and was shocked at the bait and switch between what stated was stated in the posting and at the actual interview.

Nice people but the interview gave me the impression you are not very valued. Facilities are quite poorly kept up and do not leave a good impression. These are my thoughts, again you could find this the right place.

I was informed that I would have to show up to training with a 15K certified check. Or I could arrange financing through thier bank. I think that this requirement and lower than advertized pay are quite dishonest as I went through considerable expense to interview and are not mentioned prior.

I'm not intending to fan the flames but leave an honest impression here. I personally do not think it is professional to ask your employees to fund the company (having your personal credit tied up, and only a 1% return is unacceptable considering the risk and business side of what you can do with $15,000) and plug a turnover issue that has to do with poor human resource management. It costs more to retrain than retain. The training issue is a cost of doing business, its fully recouped through the customer and should not be used to gauge loyalty. Spending 4 days on the road at my expense is good enough to show I am sincere. If this isn't good enough for you, then I have some very tangible skills that would better suite an honest company.

A base of $36,000 with your own $15,000 tied up with a "Training Bond" means you make $21,000. If they make current employees pay this, then you really do not get it back after a year as stated.

All the best,

[ozone]

Is this a joke or what? Who would work for that?

[quote][

Position: King Air First Officer - Moncton
Company Name: VOYAGEUR AIRWAYS LIMITED
Contact: Human Resources Department
Street Address: 1500 Airport Road
City: North Bay
Province: Ontario
Country: Canada
Web Address: http://www.voyageurairways.com
Email Address: resume@voyageurairways.com
Phone Number: (705) 476-1750
Fax Number: (705) 476-6773
Apply Via: Email, Fax
Aircraft Types: King Air 100

Please quote Reference No. 080611 when applying.

Dedicated Air Ambulance base in Moncton, New Brunswick.


Job Description:

We are currently accepting resumes for First Officers for our Dedicated Air Ambulance Operations.

New Brunswick First Officer Minimum Requirements:

- Valid ATPL
- 100 Hours Multi-Turbine

* Preference will be given to individuals with time on type.


Voyageur Airways Limited offers a company-sponsored benefit package which includes: dental care, vision care, extended health care, life insurance, short and long-term disability insurance, employee assistance programs, and a jointly funded retirement pension program.

Voyageur Airways Limited also offers opportunities for advancement to our Dash 7, Dash 8 and CRJ pilot programs.

Salary: $30,000/a /quote]

[Doc]

Only those with a great credit rating, or lots of your parent's money, need apply.

[xsbank]

Voyageur is a scam, run by scum. (Poetic, eh?)

.., (scam, scum, somebody slap me) you taped it - and you did it without any profanity!


Gee, here's my $15,000, take me!

Interesting to see what happens to them if they had to 'downsize' due to this nonsense over fuel costs - think ya'd get any of your dosh back? Do ya think? Most small-claims courts limit your claim to (at least in Quebec) $7,000.

CL30, were you diplomatic when you told them to shove it?

[flyboy114]

Not to mention the fact they want an ATPL qualified applicant for the KA right seat......(thinking it through, I guess it might be a medevac contract requirement)........but it seems like VAL want astronauts to apply for right seat positions (kind of like Sunwest as well)....

[CL30]

Hi,

I just got the thanks for the interview letter today so I'm not Voyageur material. I wonder if I can claim my $1200 in road expenses on my tax return for doing the interview.

The negative for me is being out of the cockpit for a bit. However I have US and Canadian ATPL's, 4600 TT, 1600 Jet, 1000 Jet PIC, 4000 PIC, 3400 Multi. Positives - Two Crew, Oceanic, Types in the HS25B and CL30, FMS, Glass and also a Instructor in my last position on the Hawkers and CL30. I wasn't too thrilled during the interview and it likely showed. I waited 30 minutes inside the brown doors in 28C weather with a placard saying Asbestos Present before somebody had the decency to receive me. My expression when told of the training requirement was likely not to positive as well.

I also noticed some edited posts here in regards to these conversations. So my 2 cents is to stay away from this company.

Thanks.

[xsbank]

Congratulations - you can do better. save your receipts for when you get hired.

[Doc]

CL30....yes you can claim your travel expenses for the interview. You need a note, stating you were, indeed interviewed, and all receipts. Claim it. I've written off large portions of vacations by lining up an interview at my destination.
And congrats on NOT getting the job!

[Changes in Latitudes]

Hi,

I just got the thanks for the interview letter today so I'm not Voyageur material. I wonder if I can claim my $1200 in road expenses on my tax return for doing the interview.

The negative for me is being out of the cockpit for a bit. However I have US and Canadian ATPL's, 4600 TT, 1600 Jet, 1000 Jet PIC, 4000 PIC, 3400 Multi. Positives - Two Crew, Oceanic, Types in the HS25B and CL30, FMS, Glass and also a Instructor in my last position on the Hawkers and CL30. I wasn't too thrilled during the interview and it likely showed. I waited 30 minutes inside the brown doors in 28C weather with a placard saying Asbestos Present before somebody had the decency to receive me. My expression when told of the training requirement was likely not to positive as well.

I also noticed some edited posts here in regards to these conversations. So my 2 cents is to stay away from this company.

Thanks.

That's funny my interview went pretty much the EXACT same way. I became more and more incensed during the process, that by the end of the interview they had removed all of the pointy objects from the room that were within my reach at the beginning of the interview. I too got the thanks but no thanks email I too fall short of Voageur's standards.

[ATG]

Okay.. All this post has been about pilots.. what about the maintenance side of things?.. i can assume its the same BS... ?...

[Vickers vanguard]

cl30, with that kind of hours, why don't you try with Bombardier in Montreal......they're looking for people with your profile.........and they just lost a guy to Emirates last week. schedule is rock'n roll though....but hey !

Hi,

I just got the thanks for the interview letter today so I'm not Voyageur material. I wonder if I can claim my $1200 in road expenses on my tax return for doing the interview.

The negative for me is being out of the cockpit for a bit. However I have US and Canadian ATPL's, 4600 TT, 1600 Jet, 1000 Jet PIC, 4000 PIC, 3400 Multi. Positives - Two Crew, Oceanic, Types in the HS25B and CL30, FMS, Glass and also a Instructor in my last position on the Hawkers and CL30. I wasn't too thrilled during the interview and it likely showed. I waited 30 minutes inside the brown doors in 28C weather with a placard saying Asbestos Present before somebody had the decency to receive me. My expression when told of the training requirement was likely not to positive as well.

I also noticed some edited posts here in regards to these conversations. So my 2 cents is to stay away from this company.

Thanks.