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007 · Post by **007** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:16 am

AIR CANADA ANNOUNCES CAPACITY AND STAFF REDUCTIONS

June 17, 2008

In response to record high fuel prices, Air Canada today announced a reduction in capacity which will impact fleet and staffing levels effective with the implementation of its fall and winter schedule. The airline plans to reduce total system capacity by 7.0 per cent in the fourth quarter 2008 and first quarter 2009, compared to the same period a year earlier. The reduction in flying will require fewer employees to operate the airline. This will result in a decrease in staff levels of up to 2,000 positions across all levels of the organization

Do you think pilot will be include in this ?

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 6:34 am

Good question, the same one that came to my mind a few minutes ago when I heard this on newsradio. My thoughts are that the reduced capacity on the Rome/Osaka routes were already planned months ago before fuel ever reached the 140$ level anyway. What other routes are cut, we'll see. Unless AC is planning on parking additional aircraft, it will still need pilots. But, on the other hand if the fuel trend remains uncorrected, then I wouldn't be suprized to see further reductions and possible pilots furloughs. In my opinion the staff reduction Montie spoke of today will likely be "on paper" and will come from the ground staff employee groups and "temporary" FA's.

Glen Quagmire · Post by **Glen Quagmire** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:23 am

Hopefully those 767-200's are included in the 7% cut.

whiteguy · Post by **whiteguy** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:59 am

Glen Quagmire wrote:Hopefully those 767-200's are included in the 7% cut.

Its already been said that the 200s will be parked by the end of the year.

007 · Post by **007** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 8:29 am

I'm new at Air Canada (3 months) ! Do we have good chance to have a LOA if we ask for it in the next month ?

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 10:51 am

I posted the following on May 29th, 2008 (Page 5 of Equipment Bid Thread)

Martin Tamme wrote: Experience has shown that there will be a reduction bid with many slated for layoffs prior to the contractual negotiations. This is to place pressure on the pilot group to accept concessions. Nevertheless, although many may see themselves designated as surplus, it will only be a paper exercise. In reality, they will remain on until the 2009 Summer/Fall bid (after negotiations), which will show an increase again.

The 2000 positions include 500 F/As. Yes, there will be pilots shown surplus on the next equipment bid. However, I don't believe that they will actually get laid off - Paper exercise only. However, it will get the pilots emotional spooled up, thereby placing pressure on ACPA into giving concessions.

Disco Stu · Post by **Disco Stu** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 1:46 pm

120 Pilots.

Should be offset by early retirements and LOAs.

Lost in Saigon · Post by **Lost in Saigon** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 2:59 pm

Just flying 75 hours a month instead of the current 80(or more) should net a 7% reduction in hours.

Squid · Post by **Squid** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:22 pm

What a great company. Toy with the employee emotionally. Threaten layoffs. Give up market share. followed by union denial. What an AWSOME company. This should be hours of bitching fun on my next crossing. What a fuc#ed place to work. I'm not proud...never was ...never will be. I feel sorry for the idiots touting they turned down WJ to come here...guess whos laughing now with double digit margins.

The 2000 positions include 500 F/As. Yes, there will be pilots shown surplus on the next equipment bid. However, I don't believe that they will actually get laid off - Paper exercise only. However, it will get the pilots emotional spooled up, thereby placing pressure on ACPA into giving concessions.

Tim Tam · Post by **Tim Tam** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:40 pm

Squid wrote:What a great company. Toy with the employee emotionally. Threaten layoffs. Give up market share. followed by union denial. What an AWSOME company. This should be hours of bitching fun on my next crossing. What a fuc#ed place to work. I'm not proud...never was ...never will be. I feel sorry for the idiots touting they turned down WJ to come here...guess whos laughing now with double digit margins.

The 2000 positions include 500 F/As. Yes, there will be pilots shown surplus on the next equipment bid. However, I don't believe that they will actually get laid off - Paper exercise only. However, it will get the pilots emotional spooled up, thereby placing pressure on ACPA into giving concessions.

You are emotional. I like that. The company needs guys like you who have a passion for their job and their job environment.

The only question is: What are you going to do about it except bitch and moan to a bunch of internet forums?

You say you were never proud to be here, well guess what pal, life's a bitch sometimes, and it is the guys/gals who pursue through the bullsh*t, (and this is SOME bullsh*t) who go through life with a positive perspective. You? Well, you probably lead a bullsh*t existence, not just at work, but probably at home, at the golf course, etc.....

You will complain. You will join in the negative bashing about the company. You will say how unfair to lay off junior guys. But you will still have a job. That's a guarantee. You won't have to make any sacrifice, it is all for the junior "idiots". You won't do jack sh*t to help the junior guys. Why? Because that is the mentality that you spew.

Don't forget, those "idiots" have families just like you, mortgages just like you, mouths to feed just like you. If you really cared, you would do something about it.

Signed,

A Westjet pilot with lots of buddies at "Your" team..

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 7:49 pm

Squid wrote:What a fuc#ed place to work. I'm not proud...never was ...never will be. I feel sorry for the idiots touting they turned down WJ to come here...guess whos laughing now with double digit margins.

saskriders · Post by **saskriders** » Tue Jun 17, 2008 9:33 pm

what do you guys think is going to happen with the smaller companies, the Sunwests, North Cariboos of the world whith this announcement?

Stick-Shaker · Post by **Stick-Shaker** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 4:36 am

Not the same problem that AC faces. My feelings are that any small operator, that is a niche operator (like those operating into Northern first nation communities) can simply pass on increases to Health Canada that in large pay for the air travel.

piggy · Post by **piggy** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:34 am

Smaller operators in Eastern Canada may have some issues. Western Canada will do very well. This is just the beginning. Oil will probably spike to $150 in 2009, then correct to $100, followed by a run up to $200 by the end of the decade.

babybus · Post by **babybus** » Wed Jun 18, 2008 7:54 am

Tim Tam wrote:
Squid wrote:What a great company. Toy with the employee emotionally. Threaten layoffs. Give up market share. followed by union denial. What an AWSOME company. This should be hours of bitching fun on my next crossing. What a fuc#ed place to work. I'm not proud...never was ...never will be. I feel sorry for the idiots touting they turned down WJ to come here...guess whos laughing now with double digit margins.

The 2000 positions include 500 F/As. Yes, there will be pilots shown surplus on the next equipment bid. However, I don't believe that they will actually get laid off - Paper exercise only. However, it will get the pilots emotional spooled up, thereby placing pressure on ACPA into giving concessions.
You are emotional. I like that. The company needs guys like you who have a passion for their job and their job environment.

The only question is: What are you going to do about it except bitch and moan to a bunch of internet forums?

You say you were never proud to be here, well guess what pal, life's a bitch sometimes, and it is the guys/gals who pursue through the bullsh*t, (and this is SOME bullsh*t) who go through life with a positive perspective. You? Well, you probably lead a bullsh*t existence, not just at work, but probably at home, at the golf course, etc.....

You will complain. You will join in the negative bashing about the company. You will say how unfair to lay off junior guys. But you will still have a job. That's a guarantee. You won't have to make any sacrifice, it is all for the junior "idiots". You won't do jack sh*t to help the junior guys. Why? Because that is the mentality that you spew.

Don't forget, those "idiots" have families just like you, mortgages just like you, mouths to feed just like you. If you really cared, you would do something about it.

Signed,

A Westjet pilot with lots of buddies at "Your" team..

Very well said Tim Tam.
Squid I am also an AC pilot and have been through Onex, the merger,CCAA etc..I am emotional just like you about these things but I think you should slow down and think about your words before you speak.
Air Canada is not bob Milton or Montie or the others that are here to line their pockets and then split.
Air Canada is you and I and the people that for 70 years have made this a great company with a great worldwide reputation and for that I am very proud to be an Air Canada employee.You and I and all the others will still be here in 10 years when this management is gone because we do care and despite what you say I know you are proud to have achieved a position that many aspire to.
Don't slag your co-workers that have chosen AC over Westjet because both are very valid options.
If you have been around awhile you know this too will pass and then happen again and then pass etc...
Use your emotions positively: join ACPA, stand up in 2009,come up with solutions and learn from the past.
Remember we fell for this in CCAA...

W5 · Post by W5 » Wed Jun 18, 2008 11:12 am

Air Canada may retire Airbus jets sooner - CEO

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsN ... 618?rpc=44

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