TSB Reports

[scrambled_legs]

Can the general public access TSB reports on past crashes, and how?

[ahramin]

http://www.tsb.gc.ca/en/air/index.asp?section=1

Reports are only published on the web once they are in both languages. You can order paper copies of reports through the TSB site as soon as they are done.

[scrambled_legs]

Are all the accidents that TSB appears at reported on and are all reports made public via that web page? There were only 14 reports for all of 2006 and, of the number of incidents that I've been a part of, TSB has only been on the scene for at most 4 days with 2 inspectors and 3 of those were fatalities. If they spend an average of 3 days on scene that would be 40 days of work for 2 people. Are the rest of the employees there for publishing the reports? I couldn't find any incidents where I believed TSB was called out for in 2006 on their database, could it still be getting translated or will they sometimes not do a report when nothing can be found? The Cadors still shows TSB to update at the end of the one report and this is 2 years later. Does it really take that long, when they only spent a few days on the scene and didn't bring anything back to the shop with them? I'm not trying to trash the TSB, I think they do a good job from what I've witnessed, just want to know what happened with some of the things I've witnessed and wondering where the answer went or if there will ever be one.

[bcrosby]

Ask the TSB for a copy. They will give you one.

I wanted more information about a particular crash. The report wasn't available on-line, but when I asked for one, I got a paper copy. This also included the raw test results from items that were tested as part of the investigation (altimeter, etc..)

[ahramin]

Yes it can take that long. There are many 2006 accidents that are still being worked on. There may even be the odd 2005 one not yet published. Like the man said, ask and you shall receive.

[scrambled_legs]

They should really display them all on the internet. I don't really have any personal interest to find out what the metal fatigue results were etc. and to bother with them mailing out a whole paper copy of the report. It's just the normal curiosity of wondering what happened after watching a man lose control and die in front of you for no obvious reason.

[Widow]

Not all accidents that the TSB investigates are reported on publically.

See the TSB Occurrence Classification Policy.

If it is a Class 5, there will be no public report ever available. You may be able to access letters to other government agencies (such as Coroner Service or RCMP) through an ATIP request.

An easy way to find out if the accident you are looking for was/will be reported publically is to check in the CADORs for the TSB Classification.

[Highflyinpilot]

But are cadors available to the public??

[visual approach]

http://www.tc.gc.ca/Aviation/applicatio ... h/main.asp

[Widow]

CADORs became available fairly recently, perhaps due to the overwhelming number of ATIP requests that were being received.

[Highflyinpilot]

Do they take em off the website after a while?

P.S Thanks for the link

[Widow]

The CADORs seem to go back to 1994, so I'd say ... no (?).

[scrambled_legs]

It was classified a number 5, so I guess they couldn't determine any possible cause, is that correct? That would seem correct as it was a puzzle to us, as to what happened, and the plane was just a lump of coal after the smoke cleared so there was nothing left to examine. I guess It'll remain a mystery.

There's another one that isn't classified and it shows no further action required, even though TSB was on site. Does that mean it's still in progress or does that mean there will be no investigation?

[Widow]

Being a Class 5 doesn't mean they couldn't find the cause. It means, more likely, it's happened before, and nothing new can be learned. They (may) still investigate, just not to the same extent - and not with public reporting.

All accidents should be TSB classified. If one isn't, either the TSB hasn't decided yet or there is an input omission. No further action refers to TC.