Georgian

loadshed · Post by **loadshed** » Tue Jan 11, 2005 10:02 pm

how's the movement at georgian these days?
long stay in the right seat? YHZ routes been busy?
how's the schedule? what kind of time do new hires have - and do they go 208 cap or FO 1900? anyone interviewed lately?

cheers

pilotbzh · Post by **pilotbzh** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:50 am

Very slow, a few move to jetsgo and westjet some FO have been in there seat for 2+ years,

YHZ is bussy for the winter, but is expected to slow in the spring (with jazz operating the dash on the sydney and pei run)

YYZ remain constant with some new position soon on the charter side of the company.

Schedule isn't to bad 11days off a month 1st year have 10 days of holidays/year + 9 statutory holidays (worked or not)
50-80 hour a month
a lot of 13h duty on the single day pairing for air alliance
a few 208 guys have been hired recently, we seen to be a bit short on 1900 FO, they should have interviews soon

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 7:57 pm

GGN is doing very well. With AC out of CCAA now, things will definitely pick up at GGN. AC is very happy with the service GGN provides for them. Put it this way, AC could have said bye to GGN on April 1, 2004, but they didn't, and for a good reason. $$$$$$$$...nuff said.

Pilots are leaving for Jetsgo (why, i'll never know), Westjet, Cathay, possibly Canjet and Skyservice and very flying jobs in Europe. It's good place to start. Sure people complain, but some AC boys complain about their job as well. YHZ is doing well, YYZ is also doing well. Rumor is that GGN will set up at base in YWT (Kitchner/Waterloo), going to YOW and YUL.

GGN has been interviewing on a steady basis.

DJpops · Post by **DJpops** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 9:13 pm

What are their mins?

loadshed · Post by **loadshed** » Sat Jan 15, 2005 11:30 pm

thanks guys.
just a couple other Q's.....what is the general progression - right seat 1900 to left seat 1900? or do most guys go left seat van before left seat 1900? Do you get a choice of base?
how's the pay for FO and Cap?
thanks alot - much appreciated.

pilotbzh · Post by **pilotbzh** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 9:31 am

2000h for the right seat 1900 don't know the caravan. biding for position is all about seniority a few 1900fo went on the van as capt, but in general fo don't leave the confortable and easy flying of the 1900 for the unpressurised caravan cargo handling operation

1900 FO level1@26886$
level2@31951$
level3+@34081$
1900Capt level1@45799$(for direct entry captain, never happen)
level2@52830$ (all compagnie upgrate carry at least one level)
increase to
level 10@64967$
all pilot increase a level on they aniversary at the company
CPI publish by the bank of canada increase in august apply to all salary and perdiem

perdiem@ 1.49$/h time away from base canadian for domestique, US for transborder pairing that have rest or break in the US

most pilot fly about 60H a month overtime is almost never reach by airline crew, and draft have been frequent this days if you need to make extra money

Oh and 11 days off a month, 10 vacation (12 over 3years,15 over 5 years with the company) 9 statutory holidays (worked or not)

chewsta · Post by **chewsta** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 6:40 pm

What are scheduled destinations? (Other than Sarnia)

How is the company structured? Is Air Georgian the parent with two OCs: Georgian Express and Air Alliance?

mental vomit · Post by **mental vomit** » Mon Jan 17, 2005 7:21 pm

That pay scale looks pretty respectable...good show.

mculshaw · Post by **mculshaw** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 5:08 am

The Flight #'s around 7000 are the AC flights with the 1900's into Canada & US. The other flight numbers are the cargo or charter flights.

http://www.flytecomm.com/cgi-bin/trackflight

Providence, RI Air Georgian 7411 01:26 PM Arrived
Westchester County, NY Air Georgian 7421 03:11 PM Arrived
Manchester, NH Air Georgian 7455 03:56 PM Landed
Hartford, CT Air Georgian 7429 05:05 PM Arrived
Detroit, MI Air Georgian 463 05:13 PM Landed
Albany, NY Air Georgian 7401 05:35 PM Arrived
Sarnia, ON Air Georgian 7358 05:45 PM Arrived
Providence, RI Air Georgian 7413 06:36 PM Arrived
Harrisburg, PA Air Georgian 7391 06:58 PM Arrived
Allentown, PA Air Georgian 7447 07:09 PM Arrived
Westchester County, NY Air Georgian 7423 07:16 PM Arrived
Air Georgian 2 08:26 PM Arrived
London, ON Air Georgian 8 08:41 PM Arrived
Sudbury, ON Air Georgian 4 08:46 PM Arrived
North Bay, ON Air Georgian 7368 08:48 PM Arrived
Manchester, NH Air Georgian 7457 08:59 PM Arrived
North Bay, ON Air Georgian 6 09:05 PM Landed
Rochester, NY Air Georgian 7407 09:20 PM Arrived
Montreal, QC Air Georgian 602 11:57 PM Arrived
Hamilton, ON Air Georgian 313 12:32 AM Arrived
Sarnia, ON Air Georgian 7350 06:54 AM Arrived
Teterboro, NJ Air Georgian 604 06:58 AM Arrived
Westchester County, NY Air Georgian 7417 07:37 AM In Flight
Hartford, CT Air Georgian 7427 07:39 AM In Flight
Allentown, PA Air Georgian 7443 08:47 AM Planned
Columbus, OH Air Georgian 100 09:15 AM Planned
Montreal, QC Air Georgian 501 10:11 AM Planned
Allentown, PA Air Georgian 7445 12:41 PM Scheduled
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flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:49 am

GGN also has 6 flights a day between BDL (Hartford, CT) and YUL. YYZ and YHZ are the AC bases. YMX, YHM are the cargo bases. AC should be giving them more routes very soon, hence the hiring going on right now. It's not a bad place to be, especially if it is your first job. Things are only gonna get better at GGN.

BTW, the AC destinations are Sarnia, North Bay, Montreal, Rochester, Albany, Manchester, Westchester, Providence, Hartford, Allentown and Harrisburg.

Columbus and Detroit are charters that GGN operates weekly. The cargo routes are all over. GGN used to fly to London a couple of summers ago, not anymore. Prior to 9/11, they also flew to Grand Rapids, MI, Dayton, OH, Louisville, KY and Richmond, VA. The overnights were awesome.

Hope this helps...and good luck at your interview!

Sage · Post by **Sage** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 6:56 am

What are the upgrade times to 1900 Captain like nowadays? When the industry was good a few years ago it was something like 6 months wasn't it?

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:09 am

Sure was good times. Now, F/O's have been waiting for 5 yrs + for an upgrade in YYZ. You can take an upgrade in YMX or YHZ, but the only draw back is that you can't bid YYZ as Capt until a spot open up and your seniority allows you to hold it.

loadshed · Post by **loadshed** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:43 pm

whats the sim eval like in the -7?? standard with no big surprises ? are you expected to know the aircraft fairly well?

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Wed Jan 19, 2005 9:09 pm

Ben Tover wrote:standard with no big surprises ?

Exactly, just be yourself. It handles easy at low speeds (160-170 kts). Relax, be professional and have fun. You'll get through.

3Green · Post by **3Green** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:07 am

The flying part of the Sim Eval is straight forward. Nothing you haven't seen before...SID, an air exercise or two, hold, approach, IMC. A few questions thrown at you while you're working. They're also assessing your ability in a two-crew environment.
If you've ever flown a Beech you'll notice the sim flies pretty much the same (whether you're from a Boner or a King Air). The entire process is over before you know it, really.

frog · Post by **frog** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 7:16 am

Usually when they hire a first officer, what is the experience of the postulant? I know that they are looking for 2000 and 500 mpic but are they hiring people without turbine time ?

flyindude · Post by **flyindude** » Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:32 am

If you got turbine time, you stand a better chance than non-turbine time applicants. Pilots without turbine time have gotten on.