Cathay pushing back

[EyeOh]

http://www.cathaypacific.com/cpa/en_INT ... 0010d21c39____

[SQ]

Cathay Pacific Chief Executive Tony Tyler said: “What we are facing at the moment is a cost problem, not a revenue problem. Demand remains high but the soaring cost of fuel means we have to operate more flights to areas with revenue-earning potential. We will not take a ‘slash and burn’ approach to the problem – it’s important to preserve our network as Hong Kong’s home carrier and we aim to keep our team together.

wich is exactly opposed to what north america is doing, decreasing its route and flights to increase profits, cathay develops and try to find new routes to diversify their destination and create a new strategy.
by closing its base and reducing flights instead of looking for diversification, air canda is shooting in its own feet. why havent they already created a middle east/east-canada route already ?
no ideas; no ideas... just looking for profits, money money as usual but no ideas no ideas

Air canada is lead by morons...
when you know that the biggest proportion of immigrants in quebec for instance are from north africa, why havent they created a casablanca/montreal or a Alger/montreal or even a tunis/montreal flights even once a week ? and thats just a little part of what could be done if they would accept to think further than their options and profits.
air canada is lead by real morons...

[Rebel]

Hmm so what you’re saying, fly near empty airplanes to North Africa when your projected 2008 fuel bill is going to cost one billion dollars more then last year. Now that makes a lot of sense. Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house.

[dashx]

the biggest proportion of immigrants in quebec for instance are from north africa

So the weekely flight from Montreal by both Air Canada and Air Transat to Port au Prince (Haiti) mean what in terms of proportion of immigrants in Quebec?

[SQ]

So the weekely flight from Montreal by both Air Canada and Air Transat to Port au Prince (Haiti) mean what in terms of proportion of immigrants in Quebec?

I dont know and i dont care
what I know is that there is other destinations with a potential non exploited by air canada.

Hmm so what you’re saying, fly near empty airplanes to North Africa when your projected 2008 fuel bill is going to cost one billion dollars more then last year. Now that makes a lot of sense.

who says near empty plane ? why starting your reasonning like that ? if you wanna build a network transporting people try to know where they come from; they will allways need to go back home once in a while.
the weekly flight to rome is full for each leg of each month it flys. is ther so much italians in east canada ?the Royal Jordanian flight from jordan is allways full too. so are you sure those flights to north africa would be half empty ?
knowing that immigration minister stated that immigrant's majority is composed of north-african citizen, it would be logical to think that there is something to take here and many more when you have paid for long range aircraft... but hey, I'm not montie, and I dont regret it.
morons lead by morons...

[EyeOh]

Well said SQ.

[timbuck]

SQ, someday I imagine you'll "lead" AC.

[tonysoprano]

unbefucknlievable

[Rebel]

SQ, someday I imagine you'll "lead" AC.

Yeah I can't wait...

[SQ]

SQ, someday I imagine you'll "lead" AC.

it would the biggest disaster of canadian aviation !!!!


I would be loaded at least

[tonysoprano]

I would be loaded at least

I thought you already were.

[SQ]

I would be loaded at least

I thought you already were.

mouaha
no need to drink i'm allways like that

[SQ]

I would be loaded at least

I thought you already were.

mouaha
no need to drink i'm allways like that
more seriously why don't they open new routes or try to concentrate on different routes as cathay does instead of cutting ?

[tonysoprano]

SQ.
When the 787 arrives you will have your wish granted. We are getting rid of a few old 767s and are not in a position to open many new routes. The price of fuel has made it difficult to operate older 767 on some routes and therefore they are cutting back. We are starting a new non stop to Buenos Aires this winter. We need more 777 and 787. Hang in there. The best is yet to come.

[SQ]

HA!
I knew I was not so wrong.

thanks for the answer Tonny

[Four1oh]

So SQ, how did that Jazz cadet program go? Update?

[SQ]

So SQ, how did that Jazz cadet program go? Update?

relax man, its raining, lets have fun, dont take things seriously, the best ideas came from jokes
you can for instance take the time to read what Cx is gonna do and then go on your AC aeronet, gather some informations, compare, discuss with other people like the A340 fleet manager deployment, compare the mind set between an american managed company like AC and an occidental company based in HKG wich have 2 very different ways to react with those oil prices.
after that you can discuss with a chief pilot of a european low cost carrier and ask him how they're going to deal with this situation
you can also call the middleeast compaies just to have a more precise idea about their requirements (you'd be very surprised)
in fact, you can just get interested in whats happening outside your lil canadian province, no ?
you would be stuned about what's happening all around you, and you would discover tons of possibilities.
open your mind, dont be so condescending

[tonysoprano]

Yep. I love being stuned. I think I'm stuned all the time.

[SQ]

what is stunning is that there is no arguments in any sort so far but the usual condescendence wich seems to be the primary reflex on that forum

so tony, tell me: what do you know that we don't know here ?
that could be interesting to dicuss about it, no ?

[rigpiggy]

edited, because someone may not enjoy my sense of humour

[THEICEMAN]

casablanca/montreal or a Alger/montreal or even a tunis/montreal flights even once a week ? and thats just a little part of what could be done if they would accept to think further than their options and profits.
air canada is lead by real morons...

SQ, it's not as simple as you think..... Although there is demand for North Africa & YUL, it's only cheap paying tickets! So you can fill up a 767 to casablanca with people paying 600$ & loose a lot of money.
Carriers like royal air maroc, royal jordinian & algerian, have networks to support the route through their respective hubs. What does Air Canada have in North Africa?
It's kind of like the YVR-HKG route..... Cathay is kicking ass because they have a network to support the traffic. Air Canada doesn't have a network through HKG.

They tried to do YUL-Beirut a few years ago, but were stopped by the federal government.

Air Canada management seems to be obsessed with China & India. They believe that there is lot's of opportunity, but they are loosing money.
Robert insisted on doing YYZ-DEL, only to loose lots of money.

Now I am not saying that asia is a bad idea....on the contrary, they are very strategic routes.
Take this for example:
There is demand for traffic between India & Canada, but it's not the business kind.... it's the immigrant kind whom are looking for cheap tickets! So when you fill up an a343 with cheap tickets on a long haul....guess what? Your loosing money!

Even the 777s????? In the short run, it's really costing the company! In the summer time, you can fly these airplanes to many destinations? But what about the winter, where are they going to fly all of those 777s & make money????????????

[E-Flyer]

Hmm so what you’re saying, fly near empty airplanes to North Africa when your projected 2008 fuel bill is going to cost one billion dollars more then last year. Now that makes a lot of sense. Don't throw rocks when you live in a glass house.

Maybe not Africa, but how about other destinations? start flying charters more often? why not do regular runs to more diverse cities to the carib? why not scandinavia? they had Kastrup but now that got scrapped. Why not throw in Oslo, Stockholm, and Kastrup? why not codeshare with SAS on a more regular basis than the current amount? Why not spain? Middle East? Dubai on the 777?

It's much more conveniant to fly straight to the middle eastern cities considered as safe rather than having to go through the yankees; or waiting for 13 hrs to catch another 6 hour ride? Cause what happens then, they'll choose airlines that go further inland into Europe, or a short dash 8 flight with not much revenue obtained by the airline to get to their next departure point.

I don't know about ACA being morons, I know some pretty good pilot's who work there. But about Ideas, I am down with you on that one. It's one thing to appear that you are giving the people service while your main goal is to make money, it's another to actually show that all you care about is money. As straight forward as it seems, passengers and clients buy into it.

I mean if you really want to think about it there are a lot more options overseas than the current ones that ACA has.

That's my idea.

[tonysoprano]

Eflyer.
AC belongs to the largest airline alliance there is. There are more companies to choose from and more destinations around the world than I care to even get into here. AC has codeshare agreements that will take you to N. Africa, India, the Orient and yes even Palm Springs California. Great for customers. Not so great for employees.

[E-Flyer]

Yeah hehe, I've been flying on the S.A. for a long time so I know that, I was orienting my ideas towards the crew

[bmc]

Eflyer.
AC belongs to the largest airline alliance there is. There are more companies to choose from and more destinations around the world than I care to even get into here. AC has codeshare agreements that will take you to N. Africa, India, the Orient and yes even Palm Springs California. Great for customers. Not so great for employees.

Well said.

AC will continue to focus on strategic alliances to access routes served by their partners. North Africa to Quebec is not a high yield high traffic market. One a week is not a business service. And is it really the best way to deploy assets?

There is enough market data available to tell you where the opportunities are for deploying airplanes. Europe will continue to be served from key Canadian hubs to key alliance hubs. The alliance will feed quality traffic onto AC.

AC management are not morons. AC is quite well run by international standards.