9/11 conspiracy or not?

[goates]

And here's plenty more to read about phone use that day.

http://www.911myths.com/html/mobiles_at_altitude.html

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[grimey]

57.The records available for the phone calls from American 77 do not allow for a determination of which of four "connected calls to unknown numbers" represent the two between Barbara and Ted Olson, although the FBI and DOJ believe that all four represent communications between Barbara Olson and her husband's office (all family members of the Flight 77 passengers and crew were canvassed to see if they had received any phone calls from the hijacked flight, and only Renee May's parents and Ted Olson indicated that they had received such calls).The four calls were at 9:15:34 for 1 minute, 42 seconds; 9:20:15 for 4 minutes, 34 seconds; 9:25:48 for 2 minutes, 34 seconds; and 9:30:56 for 4 minutes, 20 seconds. FBI report, "American Airlines Airphone Usage," Sept. 20, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Theodore Olson, Sept. 11, 2001; FBI report of investigation, interview of Helen Voss, Sept. 14, 2001;AAL response to the Commission's supplemental document request, Jan. 20, 2004

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cell phones didnt work at altitude in those days, thats been dismissed ,check the date on this article

http://technology.newscientist.com/arti ... lanes.html


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

Reading. It prevents you from making dumbass comments.

[goates]

You mean this story? Reporters never get stories involving aircraft accidents correct, so why would it be any surprise when they mixed things up on that day?

http://www.911myths.com/html/93_landed_ ... eland.html

Sure there are unanswered questions about what happened that day. There always will be for events of that magnitude.

[grimey]

Not arguing either side of this debate but I have to ask. If a group of men armed with box cutters can perpetuate 911, why would it be so hard to imagine that 2 or more persons in the Bush administration could launder some money to Saudi Royalty to pay a "group" to train some people to plan and execute 911? How would the CIA, Firefighters, etc know? Why would any conspirators tell them? I do not understand this logic.

A very good point. I pushed the government knows more than they are telling. I think there is more to this than is talked about.

However I think it goes without saying that there were no nuclear bombs, controlled detonations, holograms, remote controlled airplanes or 767's with cruise missiles under slung.

Government scandals have a very nasty habit of being leaked, and something of such epic proportion most certainly would have been leaked by now. You must also consider the fact that governments are made up of people, and the thought of that many people planning to kill thousands of their own country men to make money is either absurd or will make me lose faith in the human race.

Here's an interesting question. Pre 9/11 how often was the cockpit door open/unlocked?

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However I think it goes without saying that there were no nuclear bombs, controlled detonations, holograms, remote controlled airplanes or 767's with cruise missiles under slung.

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hmm and how's that determined?

Nuclear bombs? The complete lack of radiation sickness.
Holograms? Limits of modern technology.

There's no evidence for either cruise missiles or remote controlled aircraft.

[grimey]

no one has ever pulled buildings down with cables as a rule, that building was 47 stories and weighs hundreds of thousand of tons and some little mickey mouse crane just aint gonna cut it

What's this then?

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid= ... H-BA&hl=en

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Its pretty obvious thats an "8 story building" thats been already destroyed not a 47 story building standing erect and not destroyed

cmon look at the state of bldg 6 in that video

The "Pull" term that Loose Change mentions to connect Silverstein's "Pull" comment to destroying a building is in specific mention to that incident. It isn't a euphemism for destroying a building with explosives.

You would know this if you had paid attention at all.

[grimey]

Not arguing either side of this debate but I have to ask. If a group of men armed with box cutters can perpetuate 911, why would it be so hard to imagine that 2 or more persons in the Bush administration could launder some money to Saudi Royalty to pay a "group" to train some people to plan and execute 911? How would the CIA, Firefighters, etc know? Why would any conspirators tell them? I do not understand this logic.

A very good point. I pushed the government knows more than they are telling. I think there is more to this than is talked about.

However I think it goes without saying that there were no nuclear bombs, controlled detonations, holograms, remote controlled airplanes or 767's with cruise missiles under slung.

Government scandals have a very nasty habit of being leaked, and something of such epic proportion most certainly would have been leaked by now. You must also consider the fact that governments are made up of people, and the thought of that many people planning to kill thousands of their own country men to make money is either absurd or will make me lose faith in the human race.

Here's an interesting question. Pre 9/11 how often was the cockpit door open/unlocked?

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FALSE flag operation have been done since people have been on this planet

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You must also consider the fact that governments are made up of people, and the thought of that many people planning to kill thousands of their own country men to make money is either absurd or will make me lose faith in the human race. unquote

what makes you think it was americans? lets not be naive, its not absurd at all in any case.

but heres an example.... how about OPERATION NORTHWOODS for a start

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/northwoods.html

Yes, and just because people can do things, doesn't mean that they do do things. Where is the evidence that this was a false flag operation?

[grimey]

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cell phones didnt work at altitude in those days, thats been dismissed ,check the date on this article

http://technology.newscientist.com/arti ... lanes.html


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

And where did grimey's quote mention cell phones??

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grimey quote

quote pontius wrote:
Dex said.....

. "If a group of men armed with box cutters can perpetuate 911"

I`ve often wondered how we know that the murderers were armed with box cutters. Can anyone enlighten me?
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right here quote from grimey>>>>>Passengers and Flight Attendants made phone calls.

Again, where did I say or quote Cell phones? You fail at reading.

[grimey]

goates quote..You do realise that there are other ways to make phone calls from an airliner right? You know those things called AirPhones, as specifically mentioned near the end of his quote?
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IN 2001? during 911?

the use of cell phones was proven wrong by a canadian scientest from my understanding and readings

Not sure how often you've flown on airliners, but I can remember airphones being on them for many, many years (you knpw the ones in the backs of the seats?). The Airphone service originally started in the 80's.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-ground ... ne_service

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yes good point but how do we know they existed on these planes,the information put out there was that they called on CELL phones..hmm

only one carrier had it it seems in the usa IF im reading this right the lower frequencies were used by GA

But for airlines
In the 800 MHz band, the FCC defined 10 blocks of paired uplink/downlink narrowband ranges (6 kHz) and six control ranges (3.2 kHz). Six carriers were licensed to offer in-flight telephony, each being granted non-exclusive use of the 10 blocks and exclusive use of a control block. Of the six, only three commenced operations, and ONLY ONE persisted into the 1990s, now known as Verizon Airfone.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-ground ... ne_service

odds are against this method at that time from my perspective but who knows

Verizon isn't an airline, it's a telephone company. By carrier, they mean RBOC, not Airline. They were in service for a decade before this happened.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_B ... ng_Company

And hey, look, Verizon is responsible for the Northeastern US.

[grimey]

And here's plenty more to read about phone use that day.

http://www.911myths.com/html/mobiles_at_altitude.html

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Yes good analysis to create doubt for sure

quote from above link
"At 9.58am a 911 call - the last mobile phone contact from Flight 93 - was made from one of the airliner's toilets by passenger Edward Felt. ( GUESS THAT WOULD BE A CELL PHONE)

Glenn Cramer, the emergency supervisor who answered it, said on the day: "He was very distraught. He said he believed the plane was going down".
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/pa ... 3..unquote

there used to be an article on the net that said flight 93 landed at cleveland that day, dont see it anymore

as everyone here observes there are some unanswered questions to it all, Im sure those in the know of how 911 happened can answer it all to anyones satisfaction though

Were they at altitude? Doubt it, 93 crashed 5 minutes later. A cell phone will work from a plane at low altitude, it's just more inefficient as it is constantly switching coverage areas.

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[grimey]

grimey quote...."Again, where did I say or quote Cell phones? You fail at reading.

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yes you are correct, my apologies I thought you said cell phones,

I did misread

however there is still some food for thought I guess


More Holes in the Official Story:
The 9/11 Cell Phone Calls

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html[/quote]

So Cell phones work, but are unreliable (because they drop out, not because calls can't be made) below a certain altitude. Short cell phone calls were made, but were of a short duration. Airphone calls were made (which arn't unreliable.).

What's the hole?

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[grimey]

So what's the hole? That it's the official story?

It's a simple fucking question. You claimed that there's a hole in the official story, without elaborating. Please elaborate, it shouldn't be too hard.

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[Cat Driver]

and using the F word doesnt enhance your status by the way

The F word huh?

Maybe it doesen't enhance his status with you but it does sort of give his message some thrust.

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[Cat Driver]

It is the most frequently used word in the English language so it must have some credibility if it is used so often in so many sentences.

[grimey]

So what's the hole? That it's the official story?

It's a simple fucking question. You claimed that there's a hole in the official story, without elaborating. Please elaborate, it shouldn't be too hard.

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shouldnt be too hard to see that that is the authors words for the title for the link I attached

i didnt say there was a hole in the official story the author did

...you misread

and using the F word doesnt enhance your status by the way

So you linked to an article that you don't support, and that you know from what has been mentioned on here isn't correct.

Why?

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[pontius]

Grimey said........


"Passengers and Flight Attendants made phone calls"



Thank-you, Grimey, that answers my question.

[grimey]

just for info...ie quote from article http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO408B.html

While a few of these calls (placed at low altitude) could have got through, the wireless technology was not available. On this issue, expert opinion within the wireless telecom industry is unequivocal.

In other words, at least part of the Commission's script in Chapter 1 on the cell phone conversations, is fabricated.

According to the American Airline / Qualcomm announcement, the technology for cell phone transmission at high altitude will only be available aboard commercial aircraft in 2006. This is an inescapable fact. unquote

There's a difference between something being unreliable (as old cellphone calls were from aircraft) and something being impossible.

from the article you linked to:

"it was almost a fluke that the [9/11] calls reached their destinations... From high altitudes, the call quality is not very good, and most callers will experience drops. Although calls are not reliable, callers can pick up and hold calls for a little while below a certain altitude

They can make calls. They'll just be short calls. The 9/11 commission report states that several of the calls dropped. So again, where is the hole?

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[Cat Driver]

I'm having problems reading this stuff.

Do you think that 911 was an inside job by the American government canwhitewolf?

[canwhitewolf]

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