North Cariboo Air is one of the oldest and most respected air carriers in Western Canada. We are well known for foreseeing the needs of our customers. After 50 years in the aviation industry we have earned the reputation as a safe, dependable and efficient air carrier dedicated to providing our customers with top quality personalized service.
We are currently accepting applications for a Captain - King Air/Twin Otter at our Fort St. John Base.
Qualifications:
- Minimum 1500 hours total time
- Minimum 500 hours PIC time
- Ability to work independently and within a team environment
- Professional customer service etiquette
- Valid IFR and Commercial license
- Valid provincial driver's license
Responsibilities:
- To operate the King Air/Twin Otter aircraft in a safe and professional manner
Salary:
$46,000/annum
For the love of god I hope no one accepts this, even if you are freshly laid off or whatever.
And why the heck would you need a valid provincial driver's license??
And why the heck would you need a valid provincial driver's license??
I guess they're not expecting you to live at the airport and tenting could be a bit of a challenge in winter! It's a bit tough to get around YXJ without wheels.
As for wages, that's not even close to low in the turboprop game... I think the folks flinging freight and flying tubes for Carson start much lower than that.
I read post after post how people want to see wages posted. Here is another company that has been right up front....and the result......
If you dont like the wages. Dont apply for the job. But why not let other people decide for themselves. North Cariboo is a good, established company, that has enough types to allow for some great experience and upgrades.
and no...I dont work for them.
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Heh, Doesn't matter if the wage is posted or not, if its reasonable or not ... there will always be one AvCanadian to bitch about somthing. You can't win 'em all
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1500 hours, 500 PIC (didn't look like multi-pic), and 45k. No money up front? I can think of far worse gigs. Captain on a twin turbine at 1500 hours? Ever hear of our most recent dark years 1998-2001? That's ok if you haven't it'll come soon enough...you'll sooner or later miss advertisements like that
small penguin: Since you work in IT, your opinion on the subject means squat to me.
For the rest: Do you think a captain of a particular aircraft is worth substantially less at 1500TT, than say 2000TT or 2500TT, etc etc. Where do you draw the line? Do you not think that this is a direct result of the sudden supply of laid off Jazzer's/AC'ers? Wouldn't you rather see wages be just a wee bit higher?
At some point you guys gotta realize it's a JOB meant to PAY the BILLS.
You're telling me that some 23 years young snapper with his head on straight can't launch his career off of 46k and a boat load of multi-pic? It's not designed to put your kids through college. We have first officers slugging it out with double that time for 30k, yet you say nothing of that.
Kudos on raising the bar, but you should probably start with the bottom of the barrel operators before you fire at this one.
Wasn't NCA's MINIMUMS for a captain 2500 hrs? Contrail? I'm glad at least a small hand full of companies are posting salaries!
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Wacko wrote:Wasn't NCA's MINIMUMS for a captain 2500 hrs? Contrail? I'm glad at least a small hand full of companies are posting salaries!
Yup and you make 60K a year and with per diems you would be close to 70.
So your a noob and have 1500TT with 500hrs PIC, and your going captain on a King Air that is well maintained with an established carrier. NO BOND or Cash upfront, you fly and your pay scale goes up with experiance and have the posibility to move to the 1900's and Dash 8's. not to mention Per Diems you are probably making close to 55K for a 1500 hour noob that Aint bad at all.
Now if they where charging a bond or cash upfront for this job and paying experianced guys that kind of wage I think you would have an argument. But for a noob 1500 hour pilot your earning more than Jazzera and MapleFlot pilots and that aint bad.
Wacko wrote:Wasn't NCA's MINIMUMS for a captain 2500 hrs? Contrail? I'm glad at least a small hand full of companies are posting salaries!
Yup and you make 60K a year and with per diems you would be close to 70.
So your a noob and have 1500TT with 500hrs PIC, and your going captain on a King Air that is well maintained with an established carrier. NO BOND or Cash upfront, you fly and your pay scale goes up with experiance and have the posibility to move to the 1900's and Dash 8's. not to mention Per Diems you are probably making close to 55K for a 1500 hour noob that Aint bad at all.
Now if they where charging a bond or cash upfront for this job and paying experianced guys that kind of wage I think you would have an argument. But for a noob 1500 hour pilot your earning more than Jazzera and MapleFlot pilots and that aint bad.
You mean it's possible that people in this thread started jumping to conclusions without knowing the facts? Is that possible? on AvCanada.... unheard of!
Thanks ..
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Sorry, buddy. Twin Otter captains with 10 000 hrs are making barely double that. A copilot with 1500 hrs is just getting to the point where you can let him land one on floats without turning it into Reynolds wrap one out of every three tries. I'd take the 46 grand and like it, and try not to kill myself, if I had 1500 hours. Some of you guys seem to want the fat cheques and gold crap on your uniforms without having to do much to earn it. I hope these lowering requirements plateau sometime soon before a plane blundering around with a pair of co-pilots and no-one else in the nose piles up somewhere and kills a lot of people.
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Meatservo wrote:A copilot with 1500 hrs is just getting to the point where you can let him land one on floats without turning it into Reynolds wrap one out of every three tries.
That's pretty bold. With no undertones or connotation, here is a simple question:
By that do you mean a 1500 hour ex-copilot, or a 1500 hour ex-float pilot with well over a thousand PIC on floats?
I was talking about a copilot halfway through his second year on type, is just getting good at flying the thing, has no pic, and is looking to get into the left seat of something else to start making PIC time. That something else may well be a king air, but if your company is operating the Twin Otter on skis, big wheels and floats, it probably shouldn't be the left seat of that particular aeroplane. I mean, I really don't care who other people hire to fly their planes. The fact is, though, that with only 1500 hrs total time, 46 000$ a year is, in my opinion, a good deal. When I had 1500 hours, I was flying a beaver, just getting checked out on easy trips in a single otter, and I believe I was being paid 36, 000$ a year to fly the beaver and eventually 46 000$ on the otter about a year later, by which time I probably had 2500 hours or so. Mostly PIC. So that wage in the Ad above is actually pretty good for a king air pilot with 1500 hours TOTAL time, fair enough for an otter pilot with 1500hrs, and I really don't think someone with 1500 hours should BE in the left seat of a twin otter, unless perhaps it's on small wheels doing a sched somewhere.
That's what I meant. And I am pretty bold, now that you mention it. I know what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to put anyone down, there's a certain amount of time it takes an average person to learn how to do something properly, and considering that Aviation is something you can continue to get better at for your whole life, 1500 hours is on the low side and I think 46 000$ a year is a fair wage for someone who has only been flying for a couple of years.
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Meatservo wrote:I was talking about a copilot halfway through his second year on type, is just getting good at flying the thing, has no pic, and is looking to get into the left seat of something else to start making PIC time. That something else may well be a king air, but if your company is operating the Twin Otter on skis, big wheels and floats, it probably shouldn't be the left seat of that particular aeroplane. I mean, I really don't care who other people hire to fly their planes. The fact is, though, that with only 1500 hrs total time, 46 000$ a year is, in my opinion, a good deal. When I had 1500 hours, I was flying a beaver, just getting checked out on easy trips in a single otter, and I believe I was being paid 36, 000$ a year to fly the beaver and eventually 46 000$ on the otter about a year later, by which time I probably had 2500 hours or so. Mostly PIC. So that wage in the Ad above is actually pretty good for a king air pilot with 1500 hours TOTAL time, fair enough for an otter pilot with 1500hrs, and I really don't think someone with 1500 hours should BE in the left seat of a twin otter, unless perhaps it's on small wheels doing a sched somewhere.
That's what I meant. And I am pretty bold, now that you mention it. I know what I'm talking about. I'm not trying to put anyone down, there's a certain amount of time it takes an average person to learn how to do something properly, and considering that Aviation is something you can continue to get better at for your whole life, 1500 hours is on the low side and I think 46 000$ a year is a fair wage for someone who has only been flying for a couple of years.
second year plumbers earn a higher salary than this.
Fair enough. I had a long reply typed out but it had way too many questions. This is off topic anyway because it looks like the job posted is the "little wheel" one which you referred to. I'm at that point you referred to in your past, and wanted to some clarification..... I thought a guy with 2500 float landings could get at least one in ten right.
More off-topic:
Let's say you have a guy in a -3T, and another guy in a -6.
-They have the same background.
-They're both on the same type of gear.
-They have equally low times in their type, less than 300.
-Their flights are certainly demanding and equally so with regard to wind, weather, terrain, and challenges at the destination.
....who is more likely to break an airplane?
Moreso, I believe that there is too much fixation on the complexity of an airplane over the complexity of the flying involved. If I could snag a job doing sightseeing tours in good VFR in a decent -6 down south this winter, it would be hard to convince me that it's more challenging than what I do now. That's why such a comment would spark my curiosity. Would you or anyone with twotter time disagree?
(by the way.... due to the nature of avcanada, I expect my post to be interpreted by someone as an egotistic, sarcastic attack. It's not, so please don't read between the lines of an honest discussion.)
p.s. I also don't think the wage is outrageous if that's the direction the applicant wants to head in, if decent raises are going to come in a reasonable period. I personally wouldn't apply because I'd rather stay on track with floats and follow where that path leads, as that's somewhat more of a specialty and should pay better while being more enjoyable for me. But if someone wants to be a 1500 hour kingair captain, I wouldn't flame them for going for this job!
OK, fair enough... but I think you're splitting hairs. In WW2 there were four engine piston driven taildraggers with a crew of ten being flown by 21 year old captains with 400 hours. No-one is saying YOU personally wouldn't be able to fly a beech 100 or twin otter, whatever. With your 2500 landings I'm sure you're terrific (I did that many last year) but there are twin otters being flown by people with 10, 20 30+ thousand hours, and I bet when you reach that amount of experience yourself, you won't think, at your pay level, that a guy with 1500 hours is worth much more than 45 grand. I'm not trying to hurt your feelings. It's just industry standard, as far as I can tell. Anyway, with respect to the -3 versus -6 debate, I don't want to go there, except (the otter pilots will disagree I'm sure) the twin being a more capable aircraft can get into more mischief, I think. You go out in worse weather, you've got a little buddy to teach and look after, I think it's apples and oranges, frankly. I flew a single otter for years and it was absolutely backbreaking and getting the damned thing tied up safely in rivers and lakes with no docks and loading all by yourself and the tailwheel thing all require airmanship of the highest order. All I can tell you is after getting thoroughly used to that machine and all its tricks I started flying a twin otter and I had to learn a whole new set of stuff. Of course I was flying in a totally different geographical area, but still, I think the twin otter can do more and therefore the employer expects the crew to do more too. The dehavilland aeroplanes are ridiculously easy to fly, but the things they are asked to do are sometimes very hard, and the more capable the plane, the harder the stuff it's expected to accomplish.
Or, the other point of view is, I'm getting older and lazier and I enjoy the twin more because it's got lots of neat instruments, and a built-in loader/autopilot, looks cooler, makes more noise, my wife thinks I'm a hero and I don't want you young bucks crowding me from behind by making what I do look easy. There, I said it.
Strega, plumbers don't make a salary, they make a wage. And anyway, the trades are in high demand right now, so they make lots per hour. You probably don't want to know how much a person with a grade three education on a reserve school and a one-month training course at Aurora college can make driving a loader at the diamond mines, either. But these guys, the loader drivers and plumbers, what they're making now is all they're ever gonna make, whereas our friend here with the 1500 hours, 2500 landings and big plans will probably someday make 200 000$ a year and only have to work twelve days a month. Still, life isn't fair and that's why loader drivers and crane operators and welders and streetcar inspectors all make more money than pilots, teachers, military officers and cops. I don't know why that is but it is.
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