HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! This made my day!

[Strega]

Swanberg Air is growing and we are looking to add to our team. Positions are open in Grande Prairie and Calgary. Candidates for Jetstream 31 First Officer who have a minimum of 500 hours or crew with 1500 hours(Navajo Captain/J31 F/O) are invited to apply. Positions offer an opportunity to advance a pilot career and to participate in a great training and operations environment. Excellent pay $36,000/yr, great benefit package including Life insurance, medical, dental, uniforms paid by company, per diems, schedule is a 36 hours off in 7 days (Saturdays off with most Sundays off); Swanberg Air has is known for being a great place to work and we know that great workplaces happen only when you have great people.

If you are looking for a challenge, enjoy flying, training, and growing as a pilot, please submit your resume to Captain Nils Reiffarth, Chief Pilot, Swanberg Air; chiefpilot@swanbergair.com.

36 hours off in 7 days

Is this even legal?

What a joke!

I thought the 46k wage was bad but this is insane!

[Flying Nutcracker]

Sigh... let's not start this again...

[Doc]

[grimey]

Get a job, then take them to court for paying you $3.16 an hour less than Alberta's minimum wage, not even factoring in overtime.

/ 80 hour weeks were enough when I was in hi-tech
// 132 hour weeks would be a bit of a stretch.
/// and yea, I get that you're not actually "working" for all of that.

[SkyWolfe]

Still more then Ive ever made, geeeeeeez.

[Cobra64]

meh....i'd take it

[Tim]

Somebody give the turntable a boot...the record is stuck again...

[wannabatp]

Maybe it's just me, but I don't see the problem with this. Seems to me it's better than what most of the market is offering.

Just out of curiosity then, how much should a Ho Captn/J-31 FO make? 36k/yr plus bennies seems ok to me.

One of the places I was at earlier (as an FO on EFIS equipment) was flat 24k/yr. No per diems, or anything else.

Another was offering $3000/mth (clear) on a C-210.

What I'm making now would make most grown men, and probably a few woman cry.

One offer I'm looking at now is 250/wk plus .16/mile and lodging for Ho Captain. And it's unionized!

Whats fair?

PM if you'd like.

Cheers!

[RichAir]

If you consider the living cost of Alberta, 36k left seat navajo is way under... Where I was previously, they pay 42k and it's in a cheap province. But I think the way the market is going, they will find guys to fill the spots.

[Strega]

My point was if you only have 36hrs off per week, then wouldnt you be working the rest?

all of this for the thrilling salary of 36K per year?

I bet the sunwest position for fueler pays more.

Swanberg,, how do you expect someone to live in Alberta for this wage, and without the chance to moonlight (as they are on your books for nearly 24/7)?

Care to answer me?

[Johnny767]

FWIW I earned more than that, flying a PA-31....IN THE 70's!

Try living in Alberta on 36K/year, home of 16 year old kids, making $20/hour leaning on a shovel.

Send Captain Chicken Little a love note, to shove-it.

[MUSKEG]

The way I read that is that the 36 hrs off would be consecutive (cars) and nowhere does it say that the rest of the time is working. I fully expect that duty days would be complied with for the rest of the week. How can so many of you be so uninformed that you would think otherwise. Even a poorly worded article can be interpreted correctly if you use your brain.

[CP]

We were getting $45000/year flying navajoes and 402s in Thompson in 1988!

[iflyforpie]

Swanberg Air is growing and we are looking to add to our team. Positions are open in Grande Prairie and Calgary. Candidates for Jetstream 31 First Officer who have a minimum of 500 hours or crew with 1500 hours(Navajo Captain/J31 F/O) are invited to apply. Positions offer an opportunity to advance a pilot career and to participate in a great training and operations environment. Excellent pay $36,000/yr, great benefit package including Life insurance, medical, dental, uniforms paid by company, per diems, schedule is a 36 hours off in 7 days (Saturdays off with most Sundays off); Swanberg Air has is known for being a great place to work and we know that great workplaces happen only when you have great people.

If you are looking for a challenge, enjoy flying, training, and growing as a pilot, please submit your resume to Captain Nils Reiffarth, Chief Pilot, Swanberg Air; chiefpilot@swanbergair.com.

I've seen F/O pay as low as $19,000/yr-this doesn't seem so bad especially when you factor in benefits. So many people only see the annual salary. They want the $50-80K a year and then get raped at tax time all the while shelling out for medical/dental/life out of their own pockets and buying their own meals.

It's pretty easy to bash low time F/O wages until you want to get an ATPL and move up to something that does pay well. How much are you going to spend on getting that experience if you don't pay your dues Strega?

[F,D and H]

This is the average folks...first year Metro FO's are making less at Bearskin, Perimiter, Sunwest...first year Jetstream FO's making less at Weststar...first year 1900 FO's are making less at Wasaya, Sunwest, CMA ACTUALLY CMA Captains are making only slightly more...I know, I know that's a completely diferent story...It sucks and all but it is above average pay for a first year 12,500 FO, even for the Calgary operators.

Sure 'ho drivers will make a few grand more but isn't that how it works in this industry? Start as FO, move up to Capt and get a raise. Move up as FO on a larger AC take a paycut, BUT if you have enough hours to truly deserve to be there, then within a year you move up as Capt on the bigger bird and of course with that you again get a raise.

MOST of these companies will pay a left seat 12,500 guy 60-80K depending on the responsibilities. There are a few exceptions to the rule of course. coughCMAcough

[Strega]

You kids just dont get it..

If you read this thread, you would realize that wages today, are pretty much what they were in the 70's!!!!!!


dont lower the bar, RAISE IT!

And FYI if you still have to work another job after your flying job, well then thats not time off is it!

[sky's the limit]

For all of you who answered along the lines of 'it seems OK to me.' May I humbly suggest to reset your bar somewhat? This is NOT an OK wage, this is what you make slinging burgers.

10 people alone this week have died in crashes involving various flying machines, this is a serious business, and I'm starting to get very tired of so many people not treating it as such. 19yr old camp labourers where I'm working right now are on $200/day and all expenses covered - to dig drill pads and burn garbage. Please give your collective heads a good hard shake.

When is this industry going to acquire some self respect???


stl

[xsbank]

That's true, Sky - 10 more dead. <sigh> Pay attention out there kiddies, it only gets worse. This is a serious business and if you want to buy some doofus a Jaguar for 36,000 and your life, fill your boots. The theory was you would meet someone and raise a family and see some grandkids while you get funny-looking THEN you die, not dying first before you get to any of the stages of a normal life.

Might be a good time to examine your life if 36,000 and an early death are your lot.

Good people die out there, not just the goofs or the incompetent. Not too many die at work at Timmy's, taking restaurant patrons with them, for the same wage....

[Flying Nutcracker]

sigh... so that means, with respect to the 19 year old drilling holes and burning sh*t, that we all should be treated equal and get equal pay irrespective of experience, age, and what we actually do... no matter where or when... and no matter what the job description is...

$200 a day is what you get for that job... so if you work 20 days a month that equals $4000 a month and 48k a year... Next thing you know is that everyone will be complaining because the job is too hard, working too much and unbearable living conditions, too much responsibility... with no risk because risk managament is integral to our line of work...

I don't think this is a job for an established family person with mortgage and kids... this is a great entry level job for the young that is trying to get a start in this industry! Like someone else pointed out earlier.

Some here point fingers at the 250 hr wonders straight out of the academy with direct entry F/O jobs on heavy machinery in Europe, and how worthless they are... well it doesn't seem to mesh with this theme here, where everyone seem to want to start at the top level paywise for the creme de la creme machinery here in the 703/704 world of Canada...

And for the record... I didn't take on this job because it would kill me! I took it because it was what I wanted to do in life! Like I am sure many out there did.

[sky's the limit]

And for the record... I didn't take on this job because it would kill me! I took it because it was what I wanted to do in life! Like I am sure many out there did.

I'm really not sure what you're trying to say here.

What I'm saying is that it's about time the entire industry resets its standards. That goes from Operators who don't/won't/can't charge a decent rate, to pilot, mechanics, and other staff who work for peanuts.

You think that only comparing wages within the industry is an intelligent way to look at things? I beg to differ.

Nobody is expecting Oil Patch type wages for entry level jobs, but being able to afford to live, pay off student debts, and possibly even save some money, is not too much to ask for.

Cost of living has gone up markedly in many sectors, from food to gas, and wages in our industry are not following. They're not even trying to.


stl

[Flying Nutcracker]

Might be a good time to examine your life if 36,000 and an early death are your lot.

The fact that 10+ people have died in accidents lately is nothing but tragic. The fact that it is used to describe the need for more pay because it is serious business...

Big picture, the small feed the big so the big can make money... we're in a state where the one big can barely make money because of amongst other things, salaries and wages, not to mention fuel. They are cutting jobs instead of cutting wages. Big picture. The small have equally small, with a few exeptions of klondyke/649 jackpot scenarios, markets and even smaller profit margins. Catch 22... ask for more money, get more money, fewer jobs, more work for those who actually get more money... more complaining about working too much, hire more people, not getting paid enough, fewer jobs, complain about working too much... and so goes the song...

If all the companies had the same profit margin and the same size bank account... boy this industry would be great to work in!!!

And STL, I know you know all this, and probably disagree... so I beg of you not stir this on my behalf. The fact that I am volunteering my precious Miller time to be on this site is... disturbing!

[sky's the limit]

The fact that I am volunteering my precious Miller time to be on this site is... disturbing!

You are of course 100% correct. And yes, on certain levels I disagree. Flying is a serious business, and most on here don't seem to get that....

However, accepting that it is the way it is will only lead to further degradation of the industry. Sometimes fighting for better conditions/wages/etc is the only way to keep it from slipping even further, it's the same principal in labour issues as it is in politics, human rights, and equality...

Now, the only part I take any real offense to it the above quote. Not only am I stuck in a dry camp, craving a beer, but now you've gone and ruined it with putting the thought of MILLER in my head...

[FamilyGuy]

I really shouldn't but just can't resist.

Let me get this straight. Are some saying "pay entry level pilots more $$$ cause hey - planes crash and we could get killed?" And that would prevent the crash HOW??? Are you asking for danger pay? That will inspire confidence in the self loading cargo wont it! That arguement is a waste of time.

I do agree however that entry level pilots are getting raped! But it will NEVER END! Not as long as little boys look up in wonderment at airplanes overhead and dream of flying - forever eyes turnt skyward. It's too cool of a job for it's own good.

Guys on the rig get paid big $$$ cause that is the only way to get people to do a shit job - well that and supply and demand - but again way too many easily manipulated youngsters willing to do anything to get that first job actually being paid to fly an airplane - PAID to fly an airplane!!! Where do I sign up!

Think about it - when we were young we paid big $$$ to build hours, acquire ratings and then there is a chance they would pay ME to fly - holy crap - Nirvana to a youngster isn't it! Instead of us paying $100/hour to fly they are paying me $10/hour to do it + benefits etc. That's really a net gain of $110/hour! Stop that ideology and the problem is solved.

Good luck with that.

[habit]

If you think this wage is fair you sir are an idiot and should apply for this job as you deserve it, PATHETIC

[sky's the limit]

PAID to fly an airplane!!! Where do I sign up!

That, Family Guy, is why we are where we are....

And I for one wasn't suggesting anything like "danger pay," but to listen to all the shit that gets slung around here really makes me wonder what type of people "sign up" to go flying.... By your logic they can't be very smart.

Oh, and the guys working the rigs, they do it for money - don't kid yourself.... The drill I'm slinging around right now has guys lined up out the door for a chance to make what these guys are making. That's a lame cop out, half the guys in aviation wouldn't last a shift on a drill...

stl