Nepotism

[No_Delay]

Yes, its life.
But it is mighty popular in ATC and only bound to get more so now that shl is out of the mix.

[the_professor]

Yes, its life.
But it is mighty popular in ATC and only bound to get more so now that shl is out of the mix.

Speaking for WG ACC, the number of controllers with family "connections" to the business is quite small. I would venture a guess that 95% of the controllers have no previous family members tied to the occupation.

[grimey]

Of the 2 people I know who started with the company due to family connections (meaning they applied because mom or dad worked here, so they knew about it), both still had to pass through the selection process, and both CT'd out of ATC (one VFR, one IFR). If there's nepotism at the lower levels, it's not obvious or significant. There is a company scholarship program to get a small number of family member free tuition for the courses, but the people still have to pass the courses.

[invertedattitude]

Same here, one of my classmates during training was the nephew whos uncle was in the specialty we trained for.

He was CT'd after going on the floor.

[Jerricho]

As one who has a father and brother who are both controllers (well, the old man has retired, but being old school, he'll always be one), as Grimey mentions you have the exact same application process, examination procedure and training program as everyone else. In fact, at times having a relation can be a negative thing........"Oh, you're not related to him!!!!!! Going to have to keep an eye on you!"

[No_Delay]

Yes, agreed the selection process is the same.. However, once the interview has been passed you are only placed into a large national pool and still guaranteed nothing. From here you must be shortlisted to a local centre, and the wink wink, nudge nudge begins.

And it is true that they must qualify, same as anybody else, but my point is that they are atleast getting the opportunity to train... Something that is very sought after.

[Fizzr]

At a particular tower near me (not mine) there is a candidate currently training whose father is the UOS at that unit. What do you think the chances are of that guy getting CT'd. How would you like to be the OJI?

I know of a certain relative of a higher up who was definitely given several more opportunities to continue his training after the OJI recommended cease training. Names and units withheld and purposely vague.

It may not be common, but those two instances stand out for me. And they shouldn't happen.

Frankly, it's B.S.

[thatdaveguy]

At a particular tower near me (not mine) there is a candidate currently training whose father is the UOS at that unit. What do you think the chances are of that guy getting CT'd. How would you like to be the OJI?

I know of a certain relative of a higher up who was definitely given several more opportunities to continue his training after the OJI recommended cease training. Names and units withheld and purposely vague.

It may not be common, but those two instances stand out for me. And they shouldn't happen.

Frankly, it's B.S.

Nepotism in Nav Canada exists, but it's less than the vast majority of companies. I only know of a couple instances where nepotism gave someone a really unfair advantage. If anything, it can be a disadvantage.

Upper management in ANY company is going to shoe-in their relatives, but it's harder to do in NC than most companies.

[Fizzr]

Nepotism in Nav Canada exists, but it's less than the vast majority of companies. I only know of a couple instances where nepotism gave someone a really unfair advantage. If anything, it can be a disadvantage.

Upper management in ANY company is going to shoe-in their relatives, but it's harder to do in NC than most companies.

That's probably true Dave. It just sucks that it could result in someone controlling airplanes who really shouldn't. And once they're in, it's almost impossible to get them out. It's not like they're pushing a broom or something.

It's just that first situation which bugs me. I guess I was venting.

[the_professor]

Same here, one of my classmates during training was the nephew whos uncle was in the specialty we trained for.

He was CT'd after going on the floor.

Back in training, we had a girl whose grandfather had trained the guy who was running the course. So a three-generation connection of sorts, all of them from the same small hometown. I thought to myself "Ok, here we go, she's obviously going to sail through this..."

She was CT'ed after six weeks in Cornwall.

Enough said.