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More fireworks in the gulf?

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Sorry I know it comes from a blog, but google news brings up other whispers of it.

http://europebusines.blogspot.com/2008/ ... -iran.html

http://www.metimes.com/Security/2008/08 ... _air/ca8a/

http://www.metimes.com/International/20 ... gulf/7724/
Massive US Naval Armada Heads For Iran
Operation Brimstone ended only one week ago. This was the joint US/UK/French naval war games in the Atlantic Ocean preparing for a naval blockade of Iran and the likely resulting war in the Persian Gulf area. The massive war games included a US Navy supercarrier battle group, an US Navy expeditionary carrier battle group, a Royal Navy carrier battle group, a French nuclear hunter-killer submarine plus a large number of US Navy cruisers, destroyers and frigates playing the "enemy force".

The lead American ship in these war games, the USS Theodore Roosevelt (CVN71) and its Carrier Strike Group Two (CCSG-2) are now headed towards Iran along with the USS Ronald Reagon (CVN76) and its Carrier Strike Group Seven (CCSG-7) coming from Japan.

They are joining two existing USN battle groups in the Gulf area: the USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) with its Carrier Strike Group Nine (CCSG-9); and the USS Peleliu (LHA-5) with its expeditionary strike group.

Likely also under way towards the Persian Gulf is the USS Iwo Jima (LHD-7) and its expeditionary strike group, the UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal (R07) carrier battle group, assorted French naval assets including the nuclear hunter-killer submarine Amethyste and French Naval Rafale fighter jets on-board the USS Theodore Roosevelt. These ships took part in the just completed Operation Brimstone.

The build up of naval forces in the Gulf will be one of the largest multi-national naval armadas since the First and Second Gulf Wars. The intent is to create a US/EU naval blockade (which is an Act of War under international law) around Iran (with supporting air and land elements) to prevent the shipment of benzene and certain other refined oil products headed to Iranian ports. Iran has limited domestic oil refining capacity and imports 40% of its benzene. Cutting off benzene and other key products would cripple the Iranian economy. The neo-cons are counting on such a blockade launching a war with Iran.

The US Naval forces being assembled include the following:

Carrier Strike Group Nine
USS Abraham Lincoln (CVN72) nuclear powered supercarrier
with its Carrier Air Wing Two
Destroyer Squadron Nine:
USS Mobile Bay (CG53) guided missile cruiser
USS Russell (DDG59) guided missile destroyer
USS Momsen (DDG92) guided missile destroyer
USS Shoup (DDG86) guided missile destroyer
USS Ford (FFG54) guided missile frigate
USS Ingraham (FFG61) guided missile frigate
USS Rodney M. Davis (FFG60) guided missile frigate
USS Curts (FFG38) guided missile frigate
Plus one or more nuclear hunter-killer submarines

Peleliu Expeditionary Strike Group
USS Peleliu (LHA-5) a Tarawa-class amphibious assault carrier
USS Pearl Harbor (LSD52) assult ship
USS Dubuque (LPD8) assult ship/landing dock
USS Cape St. George (CG71) guided missile cruiser
USS Halsey (DDG97) guided missile destroyer
USS Benfold (DDG65) guided missile destroyer

Carrier Strike Group Two
USS Theodore Roosevelt (DVN71) nuclear powered supercarrier
with its Carrier Air Wing Eight
Destroyer Squadron 22
USS Monterey (CG61) guided missile cruiser
USS Mason (DDG87) guided missile destroyer
USS Nitze (DDG94) guided missile destroyer
USS Sullivans (DDG68) guided missile destroyer

USS Springfield (SSN761) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine

IWO ESG ~ Iwo Jima Expeditionary Strike Group
USS Iwo Jima (LHD7) amphibious assault carrier
with its Amphibious Squadron Four
and with its 26th Marine Expeditionary Unit
USS San Antonio (LPD17) assault ship
USS Velia Gulf (CG72) guided missile cruiser
USS Ramage (DDG61) guided missile destroyer
USS Carter Hall (LSD50) assault ship
USS Roosevelt (DDG80) guided missile destroyer

USS Hartfore (SSN768) nuclear powered hunter-killer submarine

Carrier Strike Group Seven
USS Ronald Reagan (CVN76) nuclear powered supercarrier
with its Carrier Air Wing 14
Destroyer Squadron 7
USS Chancellorsville (CG62) guided missile cruiser
USS Howard (DDG83) guided missile destroyer
USS Gridley (DDG101) guided missile destroyer
USS Decatur (DDG73) guided missile destroyer
USS Thach (FFG43) guided missile frigate
USNS Rainier (T-AOE-7) fast combat support ship

Also likely to join the battle armada:

UK Royal Navy HMS Ark Royal Carrier Strike Group with assorted guided missile destroyers and frigates, nuclear hunter-killer submarines and support ships

French Navy nuclear powered hunter-killer submarines (likely the Amethyste and perhaps others), plus French Naval Rafale fighter jets operating off of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as the French Carrier Charles de Gaulle is in dry dock, and assorted surface warships

Various other US Navy warships and submarines and support ships. The following USN ships took part (as the "enemy" forces) in Operation Brimstone and several may join in:

USS San Jacinto (CG56) guided missile cruiser
USS Anzio (CG68) guided missile cruiser
USS Normandy (CG60) guided missile cruiser
USS Carney (DDG64) guided missile destroyer
USS Oscar Austin (DDG79) guided missile destroyer
USS Winston S. Churchill (DDG81) guided missile destroyer
USS Carr (FFG52) guided missile frigate
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There's a US election in a couple of months.
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I wonder what the Persian gangs in North Vancouver will be doing the day after the balloons go up ???

Could be part of the Bush-Putin deal you take the oil in Georgia and we will take Iran :mrgreen:
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Well, if the current administration starts a war with Iran Obama would have little choice but to finish it.
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2R wrote:I wonder what the Persian gangs in North Vancouver will be doing the day after the balloons go up ???

Could be part of the Bush-Putin deal you take the oil in Georgia and we will take Iran :mrgreen:
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mcrit wrote:Well, if the current administration starts a war with Iran Obama would have little choice but to finish it.
HAHA of course assuming a black man will be elected president in the United States.
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Topspin wrote: French Navy nuclear powered hunter-killer submarines (likely the Amethyste and perhaps others), plus French Naval Rafale fighter jets operating off of the USS Theodore Roosevelt as the French Carrier Charles de Gaulle is in dry dock, and assorted surface warships

Just curious, anyone know if that's been done before?
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Canadians used to operate off of US aircraft carriers on training exercises in the 50's and they used to operate off ours. The French Navy trains most of its pilots in the US and the Rafale was designed to fly off US carriers as the French Navy uses the same technology and systems the US does. As far as actual operations go, I think that would be the first time that foreign aircraft have used a US carrier in combat with the exceptions of the British Harriers and other foreign helicopters.


Picture of a Rafale on the USS Theodore Roosevelt.

http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=38585


Video of one landing on the USS Enterprise

http://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/media ... enterprise
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USS Winston S. Churchill
They got so many boats there running out of Americans to name them after. :mrgreen:

Don't forget the french have an Aircraft Carrier, the Charles De Gaulle

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/gaulle/
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Cool, thanks Lou.
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What google terms do you use to find this wonderful information?

Does 'nutbar' go before 'paranoid f*cking idiot' or after it? Or is it, 'unsubstantiated drivel'?
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Don't forget the french have an Aircraft Carrier, the Charles De Gaulle
That one'll retreat to Britain until the shooting is mostly finished then it'll sail back to France triumphantly and spend the rest of her career annoying the British as much as possible! :lol:
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. said........




"They got so many boats there running out of Americans to name them after"


Winston Churchill`s mum was American, so I guess he qualifies-sort of.
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. wrote:
USS Winston S. Churchill
They got so many boats there running out of Americans to name them after. :mrgreen:

Don't forget the french have an Aircraft Carrier, the Charles De Gaulle

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/gaulle/
You would think they would have named a bunker after him as he spent most of the War in a bunker :smt064
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I have some WWII era French army rifles for sale. They are in great condition. They have never been fired and were only dropped once. :smt040
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tellyourkidstogetarealjob wrote:What google terms do you use to find this wonderful information?

Does 'nutbar' go before 'paranoid f*cking idiot' or after it? Or is it, 'unsubstantiated drivel'?
Well said!!
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The US has had 4 carriers in the Middle East many times. It happens quite often when they relieve the carrier groups that are due to return to port. And the carrier groups heading out to the region will often participate in war games and training to get the crews back up to speed.
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goates wrote:The US has had 4 carriers in the Middle East many times. It happens quite often when they relieve the carrier groups that are due to return to port. And the carrier groups heading out to the region will often participate in war games and training to get the crews back up to speed.
This likely represents their entire seaworthy carrier force of the Atlantic side. Throw in the British and french plus the amphibious assault groups, and this seems to be more than an exercise. I seriously doubt they will be able to sell this to congress, likely what we are seeing is chest thumping.
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The article is sketchy at best. I just spent the last 6 months in the Persian Gulf with ONE carrier. Four in the region is very very rare. Don't believe everything you read.....

And by the way, the CHURCHILL came home with us last month.
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FlyInverted wrote:The article is sketchy at best. I just spent the last 6 months in the Persian Gulf with ONE carrier. Four in the region is very very rare. Don't believe everything you read.....

And by the way, the CHURCHILL came home with us last month.
Like I said, it's a blog. Google brings some more similar stories, but nothing from a western news source.
Spent the last 6 months on a carrier? What type you fly?
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