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This really struck a chord with me:
Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama said that families should be off-limits in presidential campaigns after learning of the news. "Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits."
Now, does anyone, particularly those in the employ of our
government, have any questions about the above?

Even the Mafia doesn't do family.
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In Canada we thankfully exercise a lot more discretion than they do in the States and don't bring children into it. I think someone tried with Cretin's son that was having the problems and was soundly slapped down. That said, Palin herself is fair game because there is almost nothing known about her, and there is the possibility of her becoming the President of the United States by accident.

Obama and Biden were being interviewed the other night, and Obama made a point of saying Biden could step into the big chair tomorrow if he had to. I don't think anyone would disagree. But it's a scary thought with Palin.
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Rockie wrote:
Obama and Biden were being interviewed the other night, and Obama made a point of saying Biden could step into the big chair tomorrow if he had to. I don't think anyone would disagree. But it's a scary thought with Palin.
Hey Rockie, what are Joe Biden's policy positions? What about his judgments? When was the last time he headed up a negotiation of a 100 million dollar deal as an executive of his State? When was the last time as an executive he submitted a billion dollar budget for his State to be approved. When was the last time he had to make Homeland Security plans as an executive of his State? When was the last time he managed more than the 15 people he has on staff?
It may be important to also remember that Palin IS the VP nominee. And what we don't know about Obama and what the media refuses to investigate could fill a library. Any clue about his academic or extracurricular activities at Columbia? Any clue as to his chairmanship of the Annenberg project.. besides it was judged a failure? Any info on why he was not required to publish anything at Harvard? How am I supposed to evaluate someone's judgment when they are trying to hide who they are in addition to having no accomplishments to list? But you keep relying on old hopey changey.
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Biden's been a member of the US Federal government for a long time. His credentials and experience especially on foreign policy say he can do the job. Obama has been under the microscope for a long time too. He might not have been in government all that long but the seive he's been through is daunting to say the least, and he ran the machine that beat the Clintons.

Sarah Palin...hmmm. A hockey mom. An NRA member. Under investigation for firing someone who wouldn't do her influence peddling for her. And that's about it. What else do we know about her except 16 months ago she was the mayor of a town of 8000? You think she has the experience or background to run the United States? You must be mad.
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Did Nader get on the ballot yet ?
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Lets not forget the John McCain has had cancer 4 times, so if they win, she may in fact end up in the big chair very easily. It is NOT outside of the realm of a decent chance! Like maybe 30-70 that the cancer finally catches up with McCain.
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200hr Wonder wrote:Lets not forget the John McCain has had cancer 4 times, so if they win, she may in fact end up in the big chair very easily. It is NOT outside of the realm of a decent chance! Like maybe 30-70 that the cancer finally catches up with McCain.
He's had skin cancer 4 times, it's not exactly deadly in someone who gets the best medical care on earth. I'd be more worried about him being the oldest president ever.

As for Palin, she has more executive experience than Obama and Biden put together, and has been very good about rooting out corruption in the Alaska government, notwithstanding the incident with her former brother-in-law. She's got no foreign policy experience though, which is troubling.
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I think Senator McCain's candidacy is going to implode over his nonsensical choice of Palin. It's going to make them all look like fools.
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Rockie, you sure seem worried for a guy who's convinced that picking Palin will ruin McCain's chances. It's not like a mother of four with a paucity of foreign policy credentials is going to be a warmongering, freedom crushing, anti-christ is it? She can't possibly be as scary as Cheney.

The very reason Obama is forced to issue statements like this one is that some of his supporters have been so vile in their personal attacks on Palin that it may end up driving political moderates into the Republican camp for November.
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Man it's been cold on the west coast.
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McCain scares the living daylights out of me.

GW Bush, crossed with Joe McCarthy, with just a sprinkle of J. Edgar Hoover. Dick Cheney and Rummy were amateur hour compared to the foreign policy nightmare you can expect under McCain.

The only thing that scares me more than that cold-war dinosaur, is the fact that the USA has proven ( several times now ) that the majority of those who make their way to the polling stations, are complete buffoons and quite likely to throw another stooge for the defense establishment into power.

Good night, and good luck.
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Oh, and yeah - damn cold.
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Phaedrus wrote:Rockie, you sure seem worried for a guy who's convinced that picking Palin will ruin McCain's chances. It's not like a mother of four with a paucity of foreign policy credentials is going to be a warmongering, freedom crushing, anti-christ is it? She can't possibly be as scary as Cheney.

The very reason Obama is forced to issue statements like this one is that some of his supporters have been so vile in their personal attacks on Palin that it may end up driving political moderates into the Republican camp for November.
Worried? No.

But I am deeply concerned over who becomes the President. The person who holds that position can make or break this world in more ways than we can imagine. Although you made me think with your comment about Cheney.

He's a devious, amoral, ruthless, greedy sonofabitch. Palin might prove to be that too, but right now she's just an utterly unqualified loose cannon who's within reach of the Oval Office. That's pretty scary too.
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...that the majority of those who make their way to the polling stations, are complete buffoons and quite likely to throw another stooge for the defense establishment into power.
Sez the citizen of a country that elected Gene the Cretin not once, not twice but three fuckin' times. And would probably have done so again if his own party hadn't thrown him out on his ass. :)
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If the politicians are going to campaign on the strength and values of their family(military service, disabilities, 5 kids = presidential cred etc) then it's fair game.
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All this hand-wringing over Palin is hilarious.

Do none of you children recall a VP mental furball
by the name of Dan Quayle?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Quayle
Throughout his time as vice president, Quayle was widely ridiculed in the media and by many in the general public, in both the USA and overseas, as an intellectual lightweight.[11] For example, Quayle received the satirical Ig Nobel Prize for "demonstrating, better than anyone else, the need for science education" in 1991.
Contributing greatly to the perception of Quayle's incompetence was his tendency to make public statements which were either self-contradictory ("We don't want to go back to tomorrow, we want to go forward"), logically redundant ("The future will be better tomorrow"), obvious ("For NASA, space is still a high priority"), geographically wrong ("I love California. I practically grew up in Phoenix."), fallacious ("It's time for the human race to enter the solar system"),[12][13] or painfully confused and inappropriate, as when he addressed the United Negro College Fund, whose slogan is "A mind is a terrible thing to waste", Quayle said "You take the United Negro College Fund model that what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind is being very wasteful. How true that is."[14]
For those of you who have difficulty recalling anything
previous to last week, here's another VP:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_S._Truman
He was, however, largely ignored by President Roosevelt, who appeared not to have taken him seriously at this stage. Truman reportedly had difficulty getting White House secretaries to return his calls.[26]
Lest you forget, this salesman of cheap suits in
Missouri ended up dropping two atomic bombs.
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Substitute 'censorship' for "discretion" and you might be closer to the truth.
Rockie wrote:In Canada we thankfully exercise a lot more discretion than they do in the States and don't bring children into it. I think someone tried with Cretin's son that was having the problems and was soundly slapped down.
For all the U.S. bashing that goes on here the current debate about the v.p. is a sign of a healthier media balance than we have in Canada. Not as healthy as many western European countries but healthier.

We wouldn't have the same argument. Not because we're more mature.

The "problem" Jean's son was having was doing time for a rape conviction in Yellowknife. When Jean felt paternal enough he was known to hop on the government Airbus to go visit him.

The past behaviour of the son should never have been thrown in Jean's face but I suspect the motives of the media were not so noble. The two biggest private broadcasters in this country are owned by life-long liberal party supporters. The government broadcaster knows with which political party it is less likely to face budget cuts.

As a result the choice of transport (Airbus vs smaller aircraft) or prison (have his son transferred to Ottawa temporarily or permanently) was never debated properly.
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Lest you forget, this salesman of cheap suits in
Missouri ended up dropping two atomic bombs.
He also had a sign on his desk that stated "The buck stops here." Pretty straight forward type of guy.

Here's what he had to say to a music critic who panned his daughter's singing: :D
Mr Hume:

I've just read your lousy review of Margaret's concert. I've come to the conclusion that you are an "eight ulcer man on four ulcer pay."

It seems to me that you are a frustrated old man who wishes he could have been successful. When you write such poppy-cock as was in the back section of the paper you work for it shows conclusively that you're off the beam and at least four of your ulcers are at work.

Some day I hope to meet you. When that happens you'll need a new nose, a lot of beefsteak for black eyes, and perhaps a supporter below!

Pegler, a gutter snipe, is a gentleman alongside you. I hope you'll accept that statement as a worse insult than a reflection on your ancestry.

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If I could vote she'd have mine... she's hot now, but look-it a few years back!
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I totally would! :smt008

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Hedley wrote:This really struck a chord with me:
Democratic presidential nominee Sen. Barack Obama said that families should be off-limits in presidential campaigns after learning of the news. "Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits."
Now, does anyone, particularly those in the employ of our
government, have any questions about the above?

Even the Mafia doesn't do family.


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/0 ... 23852.html

Jon Stewart Hits Karl Rove, Bill O'Reilly, Dick Morris On Sarah Palin Hypocrisy

Wednesday night on "The Daily Show," Jon Stewart hit Karl Rove and Bill O'Reilly with damning evidence of their hypocrisy regarding Vice Presidential nominee Sarah Palin.

While Rove recently praised Palin's experience as the mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, Stewart showed video of Rove trashing Virginia Governor — and former Richmond Mayor — Tim Kaine's executive experience, listing all the cities that are bigger than Richmond and calling such a pick "political."

Then, after recent video of O'Reilly describing Bristol Palin's pregnancy as a family issue, Stewart showed a clip of the Fox News host blaming Jamie Lynn Spears' parents for her teenage pregnancy.

Finally, after showing video of Dick Morris complaining about the rampant sexism in the media coverage of Sarah Palin, Stewart unveiled a clip of Morris saying that Hillary hides behind the sexism defense, and that anytime "the big boys" pick on Hillary, "she retreats behind the apron strings."

"In Dick Morris' defense," Stewart said, "he is a lying sack of sh*t."
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