Number of current instructors in canada!

seneca · Post by **seneca** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:17 am

Anyone have any idea of how many or where to find how many class 1,2,3 and 4 instructors there are in canada with current ratings. Broken down by class.

testpilot · Post by **testpilot** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 3:49 pm

you can find it on TC's site. But it takes a bit of clicking around.

VeRmiLLioN · Post by **VeRmiLLioN** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 5:27 pm

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/gener ... ats005.htm

testpilot · Post by **testpilot** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 7:08 pm

There are more class one's than class IV's. A pointer to the sad state of aviation in Canada.

TYPE OF LICENCE CLASS I CLASS II CLASS III CLASS IV
Aeroplanes 541 382 637 471

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Mon Jan 24, 2005 8:57 pm

Those stats don't mean they are working as an instructor. Of course there are more Class 1s, since they are valid for 4 years. They might be flying for Air Canada and hold a Class 1 Instructor Rating, and not have taught anything for 3 years.

In contrast, a class 4 is valid for 1 year, so there would be less pilots out there with class 4s who aren't working as an instructor, or looking for work as an instructor.

seneca · Post by **seneca** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 5:19 am

Thanks for the input!

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Tue Jan 25, 2005 11:04 am

Some interesting data there for airline wanna-be's.

In the breakdown by age, there are 1094 ATP holders aged 55-59. Assuming all of these guys are currently in the left seat of a large C-registered aircraft (which is simply not true) and assuming that the age 60 rule stays in force, we will see 1094/5 = 218 airline captains retire per year, for the next 5 years.

There are 1450 ATP holders aged 50-54, so after 5 years, the retirement rate jumps up to 1450/5=290 per year.

Break out the champaign bottles. Someone call ATAC and tell them there's a looming pilot shortage.

But wait, there's one more little data point ... in the last 12 months there have been 462 new ATPs granted. Assuming none of those ATP holders would turn down a job offer with a major airline, we now have a ratio of 462/218 = 2.1 ATP new holders for every retiree that leaves an empty seat.

Given that the number of 218 pilots retiring every year is blatantly inflated - the true number is closer to 100 - the true ratio is close to 462/100 = 4.6 ATP new holders for every retiree's empty seat.

Ya just can't win, can ya. Put the corks back in, and call ATAC back and tell them the "impending pilot shortage" has been solved

VeRmiLLioN · Post by **VeRmiLLioN** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 6:44 am

I hate math...stop throwing in ratios!!!!!

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:48 pm

Sorry ... the bottom line is that even with the baby boomer generation retiring en mass (ie much-heralded "pilot shortage") there are still nearly 5 ATPL's chasing every available opening in Canada.

4 of them (80%) obviously aren't going to make it. Ever play a game called musical chairs?

testpilot · Post by **testpilot** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 4:29 pm

what percentage of OHL players make it to the NHL?

hz2p · Post by **hz2p** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 5:09 pm

With a name like that you're obviously from Transport, so that must be a trick question .... zero percent, right? Because there are no NHL players this season because of the strike?

Do you make up those stupid written exams, too?

joebloggs · Post by **joebloggs** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 7:50 am

When I first started in this racket, I was told by flight instructors and other people 'in the know' that there will be a real shortage of airline pilots in the next 10 years (this was back in 96, when I started my private). I still have yet to see this. There have been shortages of qualified pilots in 703/704 ops from time to time, but this problem seems to regulate itself with the number of operations going under through maintenance audits, poor markets and just generally poor management. I really dont think there will be much change in the next couple of years, with all the callbacks blah blah blah. Shitty, I know but every cloud has its silver linning, at least that's what I think. Cheers!

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Thu Jan 27, 2005 12:40 pm

joebloggs, don't count your eggs! You've got 2 years to go!

PA31 Driver · Post by **PA31 Driver** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 8:41 pm

hz2p wrote:With a name like that you're obviously from Transport, so that must be a trick question .... zero percent, right? Because there are no NHL players this season because of the strike?

Do you make up those stupid written exams, too?

NOW THAT WAS FUNNY !!!!!!!! LOL