Beech 18.... End of an era?
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Snoopy may not agree with you...but I don't think she is in business any longer...
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If that's true, I'm very sad to hear it. All the best, Snoopy, I hope you will post here again.
"What's it doing now?"
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
"Fly low and slow and throttle back in the turns."
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Thanks xsbank, I have been posting.... just haven't had much to say lately. Unfortunately business is on hold indefinitely due to various complications which have no easy resolution. That is being worked on, but in the meantime I am happy to report that I am having a great time flying in a new venue. Thank you for your thoughts...
Cheers,
Snoopy
Cheers,
Snoopy
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Cat Driver and T-Cat obviously you 2 guys are very low time .....
Let me know how well you survive the accident when you loose a fan at 50ft, gross weight on a hot day with a 100 ft obstical.
If you had bothered (or understood) what you were reading when you looked at the performance graphs you would have clued in that all the critical #s are based on the critical engine operating .... name another twin that bases it's life #'s on the critical fan opperating. There isn't even performance figues for the critical engine inop. Put your head between your legs and kiss your hairy ass good bye.
R-985's are bullet proof however, they do fail and sometimes critically and many are unfeatherable failures.
A beech empty, critical engine catastropic, unfeathered and the brick is unflyable .... even empty. Ask the Red Lake lady who had that problem.
Anyway good luck and tonight when you go to sleep put a few jelly beans under your pillow so you can dream in color.
And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention .... you might live longer.
Let me know how well you survive the accident when you loose a fan at 50ft, gross weight on a hot day with a 100 ft obstical.
If you had bothered (or understood) what you were reading when you looked at the performance graphs you would have clued in that all the critical #s are based on the critical engine operating .... name another twin that bases it's life #'s on the critical fan opperating. There isn't even performance figues for the critical engine inop. Put your head between your legs and kiss your hairy ass good bye.
R-985's are bullet proof however, they do fail and sometimes critically and many are unfeatherable failures.
A beech empty, critical engine catastropic, unfeathered and the brick is unflyable .... even empty. Ask the Red Lake lady who had that problem.
Anyway good luck and tonight when you go to sleep put a few jelly beans under your pillow so you can dream in color.
And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention .... you might live longer.
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Cat Driver let me quote a favourite of mine " IGNORANCE IS JUST A LACK OF PERSONAL AMBITION; STUPIDITY IS CONGENITAL" I believe this one is at the bottom of your post, guess that makes you somewhat congenitaly stupid.
When I posted "my" opinion of the Beech I wasn't looking to be insulted by some little snot nosed brat , but since you had the forsight to let your mouth run off with your brain I thought maybe I would mention this fact.
You are cute with the sayings but just remember when you f#ck up because you know it all, WE will sit and judge.
When I posted "my" opinion of the Beech I wasn't looking to be insulted by some little snot nosed brat , but since you had the forsight to let your mouth run off with your brain I thought maybe I would mention this fact.
You are cute with the sayings but just remember when you f#ck up because you know it all, WE will sit and judge.
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Hmmm, snot nosed brat huh?When I posted "my" opinion of the Beech I wasn't looking to be insulted by some little snot nosed brat , but since you had the forsight to let your mouth run off with your brain I thought maybe I would mention this fact
Well lets see...
It just happens I have more time than you, both total and on sea planes, and disagree with your opinion on the beech 18 on floats......
And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention ...
A single engine airplane with an engine failure will glide to a landing.....a beech 18 with an engine failure will have what is called a " drift down rate of descent " and will in every instance fly farther than a single engine airplane with an engine failure....as long as the other engine is running normally.
Just goes to show that one should not jump to conclusions The Shadow, like I said not only do I have more time than you I'm betting I have more licenses than you and in more countries than you.Cat Driver and T-Cat obviously you 2 guys are very low time .....
Well like I just said, I have more time than you and during the 55 years I have been flying most everything in the air I have yet to have to fill out an accident report or an insurance claim.....so you may have to sit in judgment for a while longer that is assuming you can get past your ego.You are cute with the sayings but just remember when you f#ck up because you know it all, WE will sit and judge.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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The Shadow wrote:Cat Driver and T-Cat obviously you 2 guys are very low time .....
Let me know how well you survive the accident when you loose a fan at 50ft, gross weight on a hot day with a 100 ft obstical.
If you had bothered (or understood) what you were reading when you looked at the performance graphs you would have clued in that all the critical #s are based on the critical engine operating .... name another twin that bases it's life #'s on the critical fan opperating. There isn't even performance figues for the critical engine inop. Put your head between your legs and kiss your hairy ass good bye.
R-985's are bullet proof however, they do fail and sometimes critically and many are unfeatherable failures.
A beech empty, critical engine catastropic, unfeathered and the brick is unflyable .... even empty. Ask the Red Lake lady who had that problem.
Anyway good luck and tonight when you go to sleep put a few jelly beans under your pillow so you can dream in color.
And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention .... you might live longer.
Big ego.
Loud mouth.
Bad combo.
bmc
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BMC, you forgot to add ignorant of what he /she was yapping about.
Sometimes it pays to do a little research before you make such moronic statements, obviously the shadow forgot to do that.
Sometimes it pays to do a little research before you make such moronic statements, obviously the shadow forgot to do that.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Shadow quoted Cat Driver.
I had the left engine let go on a D-18 when I was about 90 miles from base at 8500 feet. The right engine took me the rest of the way home. (swallowed a valve) My log book says the load was 5 pass and gear plus a 9.6 horse outboard.
I treated them ( D-18's) has a single engine with more options. When the cloud base was low I'd follow water whenever possible, same as you'd do in a single. When the WX was clear or the cloud base was high I'd fly it upstairs. That little piece of reasoning saved the day for me twice as I recall.
BTW the Twin Beech on floats IMHO is still one of the nicest float planes on the planet to fly.
Hey Shadow, If ignorance is bliss....are you happy?Cat Driver let me quote a favourite of mine " IGNORANCE IS JUST A LACK OF PERSONAL AMBITION; STUPIDITY IS CONGENITAL" I believe this one is at the bottom of your post, guess that makes you somewhat congenitaly stupid.
I had the left engine let go on a D-18 when I was about 90 miles from base at 8500 feet. The right engine took me the rest of the way home. (swallowed a valve) My log book says the load was 5 pass and gear plus a 9.6 horse outboard.
I treated them ( D-18's) has a single engine with more options. When the cloud base was low I'd follow water whenever possible, same as you'd do in a single. When the WX was clear or the cloud base was high I'd fly it upstairs. That little piece of reasoning saved the day for me twice as I recall.
BTW the Twin Beech on floats IMHO is still one of the nicest float planes on the planet to fly.
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That is what makes Avcanada such an interesting place for entertainment Driving Rain.
Where else can you find these idiots who think that by posting nonsense such as " the Shadow " does everyone will be impressed and not see through their ignorance of the subject of flying?
Where else can you find these idiots who think that by posting nonsense such as " the Shadow " does everyone will be impressed and not see through their ignorance of the subject of flying?
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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I find it sad that people resort to mudslinging on this particular forum. Ok on the Misc forum but not here.
Bush Flying, for me, takes me to a place where the culture was one of support for your fellow airman, great times in the bush (or arctic), tons of great stories, flying at less than 100 feet, etc. I read the passion for flying in this particular forum. I read the wisdom that supports the old saying of "old pilots, bold pilots, no old bold pilots".
There are lots of great guys here. No need to be jerks. It's just too bad that we can't pass a beer to each other when we're here.
Bush Flying, for me, takes me to a place where the culture was one of support for your fellow airman, great times in the bush (or arctic), tons of great stories, flying at less than 100 feet, etc. I read the passion for flying in this particular forum. I read the wisdom that supports the old saying of "old pilots, bold pilots, no old bold pilots".
There are lots of great guys here. No need to be jerks. It's just too bad that we can't pass a beer to each other when we're here.
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I'm no expert on the Bug-smasher but I did manage quite a bit of time while in the Air Force and that included a couple of single engine night GCAs into Camp Borden during some training flights. We never considered the shakey old things to be death-traps...flown properly. Overloaded and flown by a bozo was a different matter.
After 30 years of not flying the C-45, my first take-off from CZBB was a formation with a pair of Harvards....Oh the good old days.
And I'd never challenge that crusty old fart from YCD on anything...including beer drinking.
After 30 years of not flying the C-45, my first take-off from CZBB was a formation with a pair of Harvards....Oh the good old days.
And I'd never challenge that crusty old fart from YCD on anything...including beer drinking.
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The Shadow, you would be the first guy I have ever came across who claims to have some time on floats in the 18 that doesn't have nothing but praise for it so I am a little skeptical. I have about 2500 hours in them and as far as I'm concerned it was still the greatest time of my life and one of the greatest planes to ever sit on floats. I would recommend if anyone ever gets the chance to drive one, don't pass it up!
Like Driving Rain said, you just treat it like a single engine airplane except it is better!!
Like Driving Rain said, you just treat it like a single engine airplane except it is better!!
You Can Love An Airplane All You Want, But Remember, It Will Never Love You Back!
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I concur with beechboy well said !! I flew the 18 on floats (cf-prz) even carried freighter canoes outside ratcheted up on the homemade bars in the middle just loved that old plane and even flew it once on one engine in level flight with a load of empty 45 gls barrels for over 100 miles and it did maintain altitude .
we were paid by the mile then and the speed made the paycheck definitively better than any single float plane then..
I just hated the hand pumping of the rear compartments cause we lost the rubber balls every day
we were paid by the mile then and the speed made the paycheck definitively better than any single float plane then..
I just hated the hand pumping of the rear compartments cause we lost the rubber balls every day
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I kept my arms and wrists in shape hand pumping on long flights.I just hated the hand pumping of the rear compartments cause we lost the rubber balls every day
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Just going over some old posts and I found this quite funny.
You may remember,
On another note, here's one of my favorite shots from this past summer.
You may remember,
...and more recently from another thread (http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 32#p453632),The Shadow wrote:And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention .... you might live longer.
Haha too funny!License: CDN ATPL Airline Transport Pilot License
Group 1 Multi-Engine Instrument Rating (lapsed)
Float Endorsement / Class IV Flight Instructor Rating (lapsed)
Type Ratings / PPCs: BE20 PA31
Medical: Category 1 Medical - No Restrictions
FLIGHT TIME
TOTAL TIME 3386
Pilot In Command 2327
Multi-Engine 1631
Multi-Engine PIC 787
Float / Seaplane 765
Multi-Engine Turboprop 1080
TYPES FLOWN
BE20 Beech Super King Air 200 Turboprop
EMB110 Embraer Bandeirante Turboprop
PA31 Piper Navajo 350 Chieftain Twin
DHC-2 DeHavilland Beaver Floatplane
Beech 18 Floatplane
C185/180/206 Cessna Floatplane (C-206 amphib)
On another note, here's one of my favorite shots from this past summer.
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Were is another gem by The Shadow:
Me thinks his mouth was running off with no brain involved.Cat Driver let me quote a favourite of mine " IGNORANCE IS JUST A LACK OF PERSONAL AMBITION; STUPIDITY IS CONGENITAL" I believe this one is at the bottom of your post, guess that makes you somewhat congenitaly stupid.
When I posted "my" opinion of the Beech I wasn't looking to be insulted by some little snot nosed brat , but since you had the forsight to let your mouth run off with your brain I thought maybe I would mention this fact.
You are cute with the sayings but just remember when you f#ck up because you know it all, WE will sit and judge.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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This must have been in another life.The Shadow wrote:Trust me I flew one for many years and other than stuff legends are made of the Beech 18 is just a death trap .......... it was a lousy transport traner and a worse float plane.
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Cat, you little snot nosed brat!!!! F**k I can't stop laughing!! Man oh man, if he only knew!! I can remember you be called a lot of things, you whore monger, porn star wannabee but snot nosed is over the top!!!!
You Can Love An Airplane All You Want, But Remember, It Will Never Love You Back!
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Mr. North, If you don't put that last pic of the Beech in the sunset into "Pics from a Swamper" I'll do it for you. Beautiful!
"I don't know which is worse, ...that everyone has his price, or that the price is always so low." - Calvin (of Calvin and Hobbes)
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Yeh that was priceless CLguy.
Maybe you could get The Shadow to give me some pointers on how to fly a B18?
Maybe you could get The Shadow to give me some pointers on how to fly a B18?
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Speaking of pointers on how to fly the Beech 18 ... I
finally got around to checking myself out in it. Had to
do a couple annuals, get a new release of software
out the door ... I just wanted to say "thanks" to everyone
for all the really great tips I got here.
It's a honey of an aircraft (on wheels). I really don't
know what all the horror stories are about. A little
differential thrust on takeoff, and it flew beautifully -
Beechcraft really are the Mercedes of the sky. And
it was a pussycat to land. It does wonderful, gentle
wheel landings - you can keep the tail up forever!
Apparently the previous owner only did 3-point
landings, which seems insane to me, but whatever
floats your boat, I guess.
Thanks again, guys! Just goes to show what horsesh1t
all the hangar tales are.
P.S. Anybody know how to fly a moo-too? It looks
like my kind of airplane - ugly as sin, fast as a scalded
cat, painfully noisy, and with a really horrible reputation
as a pilot eater.
finally got around to checking myself out in it. Had to
do a couple annuals, get a new release of software
out the door ... I just wanted to say "thanks" to everyone
for all the really great tips I got here.
It's a honey of an aircraft (on wheels). I really don't
know what all the horror stories are about. A little
differential thrust on takeoff, and it flew beautifully -
Beechcraft really are the Mercedes of the sky. And
it was a pussycat to land. It does wonderful, gentle
wheel landings - you can keep the tail up forever!
Apparently the previous owner only did 3-point
landings, which seems insane to me, but whatever
floats your boat, I guess.
Thanks again, guys! Just goes to show what horsesh1t
all the hangar tales are.
P.S. Anybody know how to fly a moo-too? It looks
like my kind of airplane - ugly as sin, fast as a scalded
cat, painfully noisy, and with a really horrible reputation
as a pilot eater.
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Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
It's even better on floats Hedley.It's a honey of an aircraft (on wheels). I really don't
know what all the horror stories are about
A true pilots airplane in the same class as the DC3.
I told you you would love it.
I bet your kid could check himself out in it with no problem.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
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Ours is almost ready to fly,finishing an annual on it since its been sitting idle for a bit. Can't wait.
Will give you a call . when its ready.
Will give you a call . when its ready.
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Chuck Ellsworth
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Great, then you can help me assemble the floats for the Husky.
The most difficult thing about flying is knowing when to say no.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying I can not remember even one trip that I refused to do that resulted in someone getting killed because of my decision not to fly.
