Canadian Flight Center...plane crash..forced landing

[orbit]

I hear both survived ok and am wondering on cause..fuel starvation???looks like a Cherokee went down...it appears they did a good job on the bog...

[flying4dollars]

I hear both survived ok and am wondering on cause..fuel starvation???looks like a Cherokee went down...it appears they did a good job on the bog...

my old FTU! I'm glad both are okay.

[200hr Wonder]

Shame to see that, glad to hear everyone is OK. The owner/CFI/DFTE is a great guy, hope it all works out in the end.

[E-Flyer]

I don't really like the CFI but those Cherokee's were bound to have something happen to them. I don't like their conditions, many are on overdue engine changes.

Oh well, hope they're all safe and sound !

[Cat Driver]

I don't like their conditions, many are on overdue engine changes.

Are you saying that company is flying airplanes with engines that do not meet the criteria for airworthiness?

How did you come by that information?

[200hr Wonder]

I believe he means many of there engines are on condition.

[Mitch Cronin]

Oh, never mind. Glad to hear of a good ending.

[Duncan Idaho]

Shame to see that, glad to hear everyone is OK. The owner/CFI/DFTE is a great guy, hope it all works out in the end.

Ron's awesome, and glad to hear his plane was taken care of with professionalism. The insinuation that he was operating illegally is a real shock, and I'm not surprised E-Flyer offered no information to back up his statement, because there probably isn't any. Ron and CFC are a safety first operator.

[SkyWolfe]

I never saw any illegal operations there. When it was time for maintenance it always got done, and it appeared properly.

[E-Flyer]

Duncan a lot of them are on condition.

No need to assume what I am like just cause I don't like the CFI. You don't know me and I don't know you. So save yourself some hassle.

I am glad they all are fine. When I rented with them I chose the planes that were not on condition.

I don't know where you got the idea that I don't back my information.

If you want more information go to Safari and dig up the tech specs yourself.


What's the last info on it anyway? what happened?

[Duncan Idaho]

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[Cat Driver]

I can't help but have noticed that you're a fresh CPL

For a fresh CPL this one had better hope no one figures out who he/she if he/she plans on getting a job as a pilot.

[E-Flyer]

Duncan a lot of them are on condition.

No need to assume what I am like just cause I don't like the CFI. You don't know me and I don't know you. So save yourself some hassle.

It's not a hassle to me at all. But I take issue with the fact that you accuse a small business of operating aircraft which, "many are on overdue engine changes." The only way I can interpret this statement is that he is running engines past their Time Before Overhaul. The world of aviation is a small one, and rumors of a company running engines past their TBOs, which is the only way my humble intellect can imagine interpreting this statement, can be severely damaging to their reputation at an airport with nothing BUT flight training units.

I can't help but have noticed that you're a fresh CPL, and as such I can only infer that your, for lack of a better term, "hate on" for the CFI of CFC, Ron Harkas, is due to his diligence as a CFI and DFTE in grilling you as hard as possible in your flight training and flight test. Ron fails very few people, but he does try to teach you as much as possible during your training and your ride. If you took offense to his best efforts to help you survive your career in a risky business, I would consider it negligent of me to refrain defending him of your naivety.

Canadian Flight Centre is a good place to train, to flight test and to work. I learned a lot of valuable lessons from Ron. He always cared and he was always as thorough an instructor as possible, with many DECADES of experience to draw on. Much, much more than the majority of instructors I encountered, and he felt the sense of duty to impart it to us.

Ron never failed me, actually I was there for both my PPL CPL and MIFR training. His instructors actually referred to me as their favourite and smartest student. I appreciate the organization, I made a great deal of friends and connections there that will be a help all around the industry. And no, by overdue engines I was referring to on condition. I should of used that terminology. 200 hour corrected me.

I am surprised there is no news on this as of yet, what actually happened to their plane?

[AdamB]

His instructors actually referred to me as their favourite and smartest student.

How incredibly humble of you!

I should of used that terminology.

Allow me to suggest some grammar lessons before you try joining mesa, oh great one.

[Ogee]

His instructors actually referred to me as their favourite and smartest student.

How incredibly humble of you!

I should of used that terminology.

Allow me to suggest some grammar lessons before you try joining mesa, oh great one.

That's Mensa. But I totally agree with you.

Mesa is a bankrupt airline in Arizona, I believe.

[Golden Pilot]

...referred to me as their favourite and smartest student.

whoop, whoop, EGO EXCEEDANCE, EGO EXCEEDANCE, pull up !

[Hoov]

And here on Avcanada we refer to you as our favourite and smartest poster E-Flyer. I always appreciate your wisdom, and vast experience.

[flapwing]

Any details on this accident? There is nothing in the CADORS

[Hedley]

Sigh. Here we go again.

Engine TBO is a statistical value. Everyone here being
pilots, likely almost no one has a clue about mathematics or
statistics, but as a hint, here is my favorite statistic:

A man with his head in the freezer, and feet in the stove,
is on average comfortable.

TBO isn't just about hours since major, either, which everyone
myopically focusses on. You take a brand new engine with
say ONE hour on it, and park it without pickling in a humid,
salty environment for two years, and it's trash due to internal
corrosion. Hm.

Engine manufacturers (like Lycoming) may assign a certain
number of hours of use per month with respect to TBO,
regardless of whether or not it is flown. So after 10 years,
likely your Lycoming engine is past TBO, regardless of hours
flown.

I've flown an elderly twin with 5500 SMOH on one engine. No
typo. It was in Florida, no cold starts, it flew a lot, and they
just kept changing jugs and accessories as required.

I've also flown a T-34 in Atlanta in a simulated air combat
operation. It had a new TCM IO-550 installed, and let me
tell you, it wasn't exactly babied. It flew a LOT. At 2600
SMOH, well past TBO, they got nervous and pulled it for
overhaul, and EVERY PART OF THE ENGINE WAS WITHIN
SERVICE LIMITS.

Executive Summary: hours SMOH, by itself, is a very
poor way of measuring the health of an engine. A low
time engine may be trashed. A high time engine may
be quite good.