xsbank wrote:.............. 'Junior' pilots usually listened at the knees of the 'senior' guys because they would learn useful stuff that might keep them alive longer and learn how to make it into those difficult spots that they would otherwise not get into and lose the revenue. Or damage the aircraft. Or hurt/scare the passengers. Or, I am sorry to say, kill themselves.
Doesn't carry over to real life, does it?
Now that all licensed pilots seem to think they have nothing more to learn, were born with all-knowing magical insight into the aviation world, don't need to listen to anyone with more time than themselves and never read the accident reports; there is absolutely no restraint to be rude to our elders.
I bow down to you Aviation Gods, oh Glorious Endless, you of the Supreme Knowledge who have nothing more to learn. Or share, for that matter, judging by what you write on here.
XS
I guess I fall somewhere in the middle of the generation gap. I too was brought up to respect my elders and learn from others experience rather than assume I know everything. I too have flown with First Officers who after 5 years in the industry think they are all knowing but I have also flown with Korean War era Captains who because of the 20K plus hours they had logged, just thought it was their right to be right, even if they were wrong. The pendulum swings both ways.
How many aircraft have gone down with all hands when both the First Officer and Second Officer knew full well what was wrong and how to fix it but were too scared to speak up to the Captain for fear of disrespect?
When yourself, Cat and Clunkdriver went through the ranks, CRM was not in the aviation vocabulary. That is a testament to how long you guys have been flying but today, it is 50% of the mark in the simulator ride. That isn't just a "feel good" lets all have a group hug sort of thing, it has proven to save lives and hulls. It has been a cultural change that has among other things, empowered junior pilots to speak up.
The majority of this crowd on avcanada has been brought up with this culture. Having said that, the ability for a junior pilot to speak up about something is one thing, to do it without showing any disrespect is what differentiates the pilot from the professional. It would appear that many have yet to master that technique. I have little doubt that anyone on here could not learn from you guys but I would hope that you are not too old to learn a thing or two from a junior contemporary.
The fact remains, the guys got it on the ground. The TSB report findings will conclude if it was self induced at which point, we may all learn something. The Gimly Glider sure taught us a lot.
