cops taser teen mom

[sissyphus]

Are there any times where a taser can't be used? Have our cops become such pussies that they can't deal with a 16 year old girl without having to shock her? Surely they could out smart, over power, threaten her?


http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columb ... ouver.html




A police officer shocked a mentally disturbed teenage mother with a Taser to save the life of her critically ill infant, the Vancouver police say.

The incident happened on Monday at about noon when officers and social workers went to the 18-year-old father's home searching for the mother, 16, and child, police said in a statement issued late Thursday night.

Misha Peterson and her child had recently been reported missing from a foster home.

Social workers from the Ministry for Children and Family Development were concerned for the infant's health because the child was born with a life-threatening medical condition that required immediate attention, police said.

'You still could see the mark in her neck where she got Tasered twice. … You know, they could have hit the baby.'
— Doreen Duncan, grandmother of the baby's father
Police found Peterson and child at the home and negotiated with her for three hours, but the mother refused to give up the child, they said.

Const. Jana McGuiness said using the stungun on Peterson was the last thing officers wanted to do.

"This was an emotionally tense situation … at no time would one want to separate a mother from her child … it's the last thing anyone would want to do … and it was no doubt a traumatic incident for the mother," McGuiness said on Friday.

But because the child needed immediate medical care and Peterson was holding the child in a way that caused officers to fear the baby could be smothered, an officer finally stepped in and stunned the woman with a Taser in her arm and upper back, McGuiness said.

Doreen Duncan, the grandmother of the infant's father, said she was shocked police would use a Taser on a girl holding a baby. (CBC)
The shock caused the mother to release her grip on the baby, and an officer then took the infant, which was transported to hospital by ambulance.

Peterson was apprehended under the Mental Health Act and taken to hospital. She was later released.

Police reported no injuries to the child or mother, and said no charges are expected, but the child remains in government care.

McGuinness said police wouldn't normally have publicly discussed the incident because it involves a juvenile mother and a baby with critical illness, but once Peterson went to the media, police felt they had to respond.

The grandmother of the baby's father, Doreen Duncan, says she can't believe police would use a Taser on a girl holding a baby.

"They said she was holding baby too tight. You still could see the mark in her neck where she got Tasered twice. What if they missed it? … You know, they could have hit baby. She had a baby in her arms," Duncan told CBC News on Friday morning.

[Sasquash]

throlling.......

[GilletteNorth]

thrilling, or trolling?

[Siddley Hawker]

I have a better idea. How about the cops taser the sub-moronic twat who allowed a child, suffering from a life-threatening medical condition, to be left with a 'mentally disturbed' 16 year old mother and her 18 year old father in the first place. That way, maybe some kind of Pavlovian reflex might kick in the next time that person felt the need to repeat such a mindlessly foolish act and he/she might think "Whoops, maybe this ain't a good idea."

[Sasquash]

Sid Hawk; I'm buying you a beer. I believe you are one of the few that understand that there is a segment of the the population out there, albeit small, that truly don't understand or comply with anything unless the proper amount of pain is applied. And yes they do need some sort of Pavlolian stimulus to the Nth degree if that is necessary. Bottoms up.....

[C-GGGQ]

of course no one has their stories strait in that article. The fathers grandmother states the girl was tasered twice in the neck and they could have hit the baby. Report says she was tasered once in the arm and once on the back.

[Wilbur]

The taser was used in touch mode. The darts were not fired and there was no risk of hitting the baby. Granny probably thinks the kid was tasered twice in the neck because the two touch probes would each leave a red mark a couple inches apart when applied to bare skin. The mother was tasered because police feared she was clutching the infant tight enough to smother it, and they didn't think a tug of war was a very good option.

[John Bull]

Too bad they didn't target her....edited due to really bad taste....gee, I really am a moron!

[. ._]

OH MAN! That's bad!

But it's what a lot of us were thinking.

Kids having kids. Good thing Pailin will be the Vice President. She can stop it in the US anyways.

-istp

[Nark]

Persuade her with an ASP?

Of course that would leave a mark or two. Something she could think about for at least a few days, maybe a week.



From the little I know of this story, the child was spared any further harm by the crazy teen-aged mother. Transported immediately to hospital because of a medical condition, the 16 year old mother was ignoring. (Anyone willing to take a bet it was Fetal Alcohol Syndrome or related?)



Yes, please bring the anti-taser bandwagon and lets have a bonfire around it. What an excellent thread...

[Wilbur]

Hard to say what they would have done in the pre-taser days since I wasn't there. Most likely though, something along the lines of choking her out along with a couple hard punches to her kidneys. One thing is for sure, to break her grip on the child without hurting it would have involved a lot more pain for the mother and risk of serious harm to both.

[ronjeremy]

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...one time many many lifetimes ago when I was a punk ass kid runnin' with the guineas and gumbas...we respected cop's as people who were doing their job. And they respected us for respecting them. Now-a days in an intollerant and impatient society brought on by a bombardment of social issues and calloused values...we have ALL become squed in our perception of what is decent behavior among a civilized society.

Zapping a 16 year old mother should not have been the end result of this occurrence. It seems to be happening far too often to be regarded as isolated coincidence.

[mcrit]

IABD, too true. I think is has something to do with over population and crowding, somewhat like when there are too many rats in a cage and they start to kill each other. So, the solution is simple; reduce the population. Recycle useless people (Oh yeah...before anyone asks....I get to decide who is useless and who isn't )

[mcrit]

Hiya cpl_atc. If you think you can do a better job why not head over to the RCMP office and sign up? I know they are recruiting.

[Nark]

Yes, please bring the anti-taser bandwagon and lets have a bonfire around it. What an excellent thread...

So why are you bothering to read it and then respond to it, with nothing more than your gun-toting "I've been to Iraq" perspective?

Canada is not Iraq, and normal citizens are not insurgents. WAKE UP.

You're right, East side of Vancouver isn't Iraq, so my original solution of watching her head explode as I shot her doesn't apply does it?

My life experience is a little more than playing in a giant sandbox. I think you're confused with the "I'd rather be tried by twelve, than carried by six" perspective.

[Nark]

This unarmed girl was threatening the life of an infant.

You don't need a gun, knife or wit to be dangerous.

[niss]

From now on I would like any person whom an officer would use a taser on to be shot with live ammunition.

Less potentially lethal shocks and more definitely lethal bullet holes!

[mcrit]

So, cpl....what would you have done? Gone in with an asp? Wrestled her? Choked her out? Let her keep messing with her kid?

[niss]

I think he would have told the baby to quit sucking from the socialist teat and get a fucking job.

[Wilbur]

I think the best way to approach Corpral ATC's judgement of law enforcement is that used by Gen. Norman Schwartzkoff to describe Sadam Hussain's knowldege of military tactics in Gulf War 1. Somewhat paraphrasing the general, other than the fact CplATC has no law enforcement education, training or experience, I'm sure he's an expert in law enforcement.