sunwe$t 1900 pay??

[JetPilot123]

anyone know the 1 to 5 year scale??? thanks

[olijets11]

Capt. pay with type rating is 63K on the 1900 + $2...something per diem

[nimbostratus]

Capt. pay with type rating is 63K on the 1900 + $2...something per diem

It's up to $3.00/hour now.

Airpartners apparently increased theirs to $2.60/hour in response. Well done boys...

Nimbo

[Adam Oke]

Are these per diem's per flight hour? .... If it is I hope they're long legs. That'll get your a coffee and a couple timbits if its per flight hour with short hops.

[short bus]

probably based on duty hours. never heard of perdiems based on flight time.

[Adam Oke]

Shows how much I read and know about per diems. Thanks.

[co-joe]

I think they go 1 hour before departure till 15 min after landing or something like that. On overnights they run while you are sleeping, and on US trips they are in yankie dollars (which is a good thing once again).

Oh here we go...bring on the co-joe you asshole you don't know anything flame again...

[Minimums]

Whats the schedule like?

[Roar]

Being paid "Per Diem" by the duty hour simply is not a proper Per Diem. In Canada south of 60 if you are away from home base for Breakfast its should be $13.60, Lunch $12.85, Supper $36.30 and if you are away the entire day add $17.30 for incidentals anything other than that is a rip off. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pubs_pol/hrpub ... 04/c_e.asp

[altiplano]

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[Roar]

Hey I was just adding some information to the post. And was not attacking anyone. So what the hell is your problem?

[altiplano]

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[Roar]

I did no such thing as represent what Per diems should be as LAW, I simply posted what the gov't regards as fair compensation for meal allowances. You are way over analysing every comment I make.

[olijets11]

I just got called by Sunwest for an interview as Capt. on the 1900, and I was told that the schedule consists of flying from Mon to Fri and weekends off..

[privateer]

Roar Says:

Being paid "Per Diem" by the duty hour simply is not a proper Per Diem. In Canada south of 60 if you are away from home base for Breakfast its should be $13.60, Lunch $12.85, Supper $36.30 and if you are away the entire day add $17.30 for incidentals anything other than that is a rip off. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pubs_pol/hrpub ... 04/c_e.asp

Dude if you go to work at 530am and don't return and finish work till 630pm then you just made $40. I think that's a better deal. Think about it.

[AuxBatOn]

Roar Says:

Being paid "Per Diem" by the duty hour simply is not a proper Per Diem. In Canada south of 60 if you are away from home base for Breakfast its should be $13.60, Lunch $12.85, Supper $36.30 and if you are away the entire day add $17.30 for incidentals anything other than that is a rip off. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pubs_pol/hrpub ... 04/c_e.asp

Dude if you go to work at 530am and don't return and finish work till 630pm then you just made $40. I think that's a better deal. Think about it.

Better deal? You'd make 62.75 if you were using the government scale (1830 for me is over dinner time...)

[Roar]

Dude if you go to work at 530am and don't return and finish work till 630pm then you just made $40. I think that's a better deal. Think about it.

Roar Says:

In my opinion Per Diems should not be used to make money or supplement your income, that's not the idea behind them. Now don't get me wrong I know everyone does try to save a bit of it, I have come home myself with a good bit of money in my pocket. The way they should be looked at is as a way the company assures your health while away from home on their business. They do this by providing you with enough money to eat three hearty and healthy meals a day and incidentals for hygiene products, moral phone calls to loved ones, gym fees.. whatever is reasonable to keep you healthy and fit to fly. (My point of view is from someone who spends 6-8 weeks away at a time).
If you can eat and live properly and still have money left over then good the rest is a bonus but if you are saving money by eating pop and chocolate bars or MacDonalds, then again in my opinion, you are taking advantage of the company and that is why some companies are not willing to pay a proper Per Diem.

So of that $40 you got for working from 5:30am to 6:30pm how much do you thing you would have left after buying three good meals?
I am thinking zero if not in the hole a little.

[altiplano]

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[grassroots]

Roar,

I think to be fair you should also describe where your per diem comes from. In your situation it is not provided by "your" employer (a cost to them). Your employer charges the client for the per diem based on what CCRA deems an acceptable daily cost for whatever juridiction you are working in, and then passes those funds on to you at no cost to them. As you say it is so much south of 60 (~$60 per day), and so much north of 60 (~$100+ per day) etc. Most of the charter and airline companies incur the per diem cost as a direct expense

It is admirable that you state the per diem is not meant to be an addendum or bonus to your income (and remember its non-taxable). If that is truly the case, then why are so many flight crews so opposed to merely claiming expenses and filing an expense account like every other professional out there? Answer is, they are pocketing as much as they can, or eating as cheaply as possible and using the remaining money for beer (don't get me wrong I love beer!). A pilot working this scheme out of Iqualuit on a survey job can get $100 a day for $3000, while living in a rented house provided for them, and cooking there own meals. These guys are pocketing at least two thirds of the $3K (again tax free).

There are some places where the per diem is not enough (try and eat in Aspen, London or Paris for $60/day). Again this is where the expense account method is superior, and fair to both flight crew and employer.

At the end of the day all of us should remember that we would be incurring a daily cost to feed ourselves if we were at home, so a per diem should be based on what it would cost over and above what you would have spent at home to get your three square meals.

[sarg]

Roar Says:

Being paid "Per Diem" by the duty hour simply is not a proper Per Diem. In Canada south of 60 if you are away from home base for Breakfast its should be $13.60, Lunch $12.85, Supper $36.30 and if you are away the entire day add $17.30 for incidentals anything other than that is a rip off. http://www.tbs-sct.gc.ca/pubs_pol/hrpub ... 04/c_e.asp

Dude if you go to work at 530am and don't return and finish work till 630pm then you just made $40. I think that's a better deal. Think about it.

Better deal? You'd make 62.75 if you were using the government scale (1830 for me is over dinner time...)

Except you don't get to claim 3 meals for the day the CRA requires that you be away from base for 24 hours to claim 3 meals. You're home at what the CRA considers a time that is a reasonable dinner hour to supply your own meal, even if you don't.

[AuxBatOn]

1830, I claim the meal and that's totally withing the rules.

Breakfast is away from 0630 to 0730
Lunch from 1130 to 1330
Dinner from 1630 to 1830.

Thanks but I deal with that every time I go away

[privateer]

So how do 1900 captains at CMA feel about making 20K less than other 1900 captains? Oh wait, they have flight benefits.

[Lanky Pilot]

^ now was that really necessary?

[sakism]

Except you don't get to claim 3 meals for the day the CRA requires that you be away from base for 24 hours to claim 3 meals. You're home at what the CRA considers a time that is a reasonable dinner hour to supply your own meal, even if you don't.

Actually, by CRA rules you can claim one meal for every four hours away from base. That means that anything over twelve hours is worth three meals.

[Lost Lake]

Oh here we go...bring on the co-joe you asshole you don't know anything flame again...

Sorry co-joe no one else answered so here, let me make your day..you asshole, you don't know anything!!