PC-12 Type Rating

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Does anyone know the requirements for flying a PC-12 single pilot? Where in Western Canada can one do a type rating?

Thanks

[Dave T]

PC-12 Does not require a type rating. If you're 703 flying passengers you'll need a ppc and sim training. Generally the sim training is done by SIMCOM in Florida. Not sure if they have any other locations.

As for single pilot it is the standard Transport Canada rules for single pilot IFR that are all listed on their website. I know the PIC needs atleast 1000 hrs and I think there are a few other requirements.

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Thanks,

I would be flying it privately - not 703. I couldn't find the link to the Transport Canada SEIFR requirements - does any one know if they apply if you are flying the airplane privately? I'm sure they must be more stringent for air taxi.

Thanks again.

[dash8dave]

703.22 spells out the requirements quite clearly. 723.22 spells out equipment required. POC operators are required to operate by the rules and regulations in the CARS. It can be done, just ensure that you get the Ops Spec 001 and do all your homework. Is this a new operator who isn't a POC yet because they should already have this in place? Good luck and if you need any more info PM me.

[Sumup]

http://www.cbaa.ca
will have all the answers you are looking for.

[Highflyinpilot]

did you win the lottery

JK

[Eleveniron]

Does anyone know the requirements for flying a PC-12 single pilot? Where in Western Canada can one do a type rating?

Thanks

Simcom has a center in Scottsdale for PC-12 training too. I think it is only for the later series PC12s.

Good luck

[Readback]

Thanks for the replies.

Just spoke to Simcom - they basically do initial training of 6 hours on the PC-12, but would have to look elsewhere for a PPC. I'm gathering this is required to carry passengers under a POC.

I've been on the ATC side of things for few years now so dusting off the pilot manuals and finding all the regulatory info is taking some time. - Any replies are appreciated.

[Benwa]

Have the PC12 N-Registered... get your FAA Pilot Certificate, and operate it under Part 91. Sooooooo much easier than dealing with CBAA.

But be prepared to explain how on earth do you operate a N-Reg aircraft while being Canadian every time you clear customs.

Welcome back in the air ! Must feel good to get back to flying !

Good Luck, Fly Safe

[Tibor]

if you are flying privatly only, you do not need to do simulator training, you only have to complete a ppc (flight test)

[Eleveniron]

The Pilatus dealer in Thunder Bay (Kelner) does rides i believe. http://www.kelner.com.

Cheers!

[Panama Jack]

PC-12 Does not require a type rating.

No??? I thought it does because a PC-12 is considered a "high-perforance aeroplane", therefore it is not covered by the blanket type-rating for single-engine aeroplanes.

[Colibri]

PC-12 is NOT considered high-performance.

[broompusher]

If the a/c is being operated privately i.e. under CBAA you do not need a PPC, you only need a PPC under CARS 703,704,705. You do need to be trained to standards and complete a LOFT....

[ScudRunner]

If your in the YVR Area And need a safety Pilot for the first little bit Ive got 1000 hours on the PC-12 and its my favorite Turboprop. Might even be able to find my old Manual for you.

[ahramin]

If the a/c is being operated privately i.e. under CBAA you do not need a PPC, you only need a PPC under CARS 703,704,705. You do need to be trained to standards and complete a LOFT....

Never heard the LOFT requirement anywhere broompusher. Do you have a reference for this? My copy of the POC manual says you need to have either a PPC or trained to PPC standards by a contract training provider.

[Cap'n P8]

You don't need a PPC for POC operations as per the regulations (however, your manual might be stricter than the bare bones regs). Specifically, you need to be "trained to proficiency". I am pretty sure when it comes to SEIFR, most insurance companies will want you to complete the Simcom training to insure you, and why wouldn't you go. Being able to practice engine failures on take off is pretty valuable.

If you are operating SEIFR commercially, you WILL require the training and a PPC. You can fly it VFR with just a PCC.

[Lurch]

Why all the POC talk?

The PC-12 is under 12,500lbs so no POC is required

He would require the same training as if he bought any other airplane under 12,500, whatever insurance requires.

As long as it is operated as a private airplane

[jetboy1975]

if you are flying privatly only, you do not need to do simulator training, you only have to complete a ppc (flight test)

Not necessarily true. Most insurance companies will require some Sim training. I had done all my training in the A/C and had nearly 100hrs PIC on type when the insurance company said it wasn't good enough. Had to go to SIMCOM for 6hrs on a basic desktop sim. Total bs waste of time.

[J31]

Why all the POC talk?

The PC-12 is under 12,500lbs so no POC is required

He would require the same training as if he bought any other airplane under 12,500, whatever insurance requires.

As long as it is operated as a private airplane

POC I believe means Private Operations Certificate.
In Canada private turbine-powered pressurized aeroplanes carrying passengers like the PC-12 are to be operated under CAR’s 604 with an ops manual. However a Cessna Caravan (non pressurized) can be operated privately like Joe farmer’s C150.

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#604_02

604.02 (1) Subject to subsection (2), this Subpart applies in respect of the operation of a Canadian aircraft used for the transport of passengers if
(a) the aircraft is a turbine-powered pressurized aeroplane;
(b) the aircraft is a large aeroplane;
(c) the aircraft is not an aeroplane referred to in paragraph (a) or (b), the operator of that aircraft holds a certificate in respect of an aeroplane referred to in paragraph (a) or (b) and the Association has amended the certificate to include that aircraft; or
(d) the aircraft is authorized by the Minister to be operated under this Subpart.
(2) This Subpart does not apply in respect of an aircraft that is required to be operated under Subpart 6 of Part IV or under Part VII.

[polar one]

Readback.

I am not exactly sure why you would post here to get information this important unless you have the psychic ability to sort discern who actually knows what they are talking about.

So here is all the advice you need.

1. Review 604/624
2. Contact the CBAA
3. Talk to your insurance company.

[Hedley]

What an incredible thread.

During the tech boom, a friend of mine in California looked
at buying a King Air as a step up from his Baron, and decided
to buy a PC-12 instead.

None of this incredible paperwork headache was required - he
was flying it part 91. He flew it to Australia, and had a great
time with it. Can't do that in Canada, I guess.

[2R]

Are there any restrictions on them in Europe ?
As flying over densly populated areas ?

[bob sacamano]

What an incredible thread.

During the tech boom, a friend of mine in California looked
at buying a King Air as a step up from his Baron, and decided
to buy a PC-12 instead.

None of this incredible paperwork headache was required - he
was flying it part 91. He flew it to Australia, and had a great
time with it. Can't do that in Canada, I guess.

How can you live life so large, yet guess that you can't fly your private plane from Canada to Australia?

[Panama Jack]

PC-12 is NOT considered high-performance.

OK. According to Standard 421 - Aircraft Type Designators - 1. Aeroplanes (2006/12/30):

NOTE: This Chart is provided as a guide only. In the event of a discrepancy between this list and the appropriate Aircraft Type Approval, Aircraft Type Certificate, Flight Permit, Aircraft Flight Manual or Pilots' Operating Handbook then the latter shall take precedence.

Legend:
(amended 2004/03/01)
P - Piston Engine
T - Turbine Engine
* - denotes some models may be High Performance Aircraft
(amended 2006/06/30)
- High Performance aeroplane - in accordance with CAR 400.01(1)

Pilatus PC12
(amended 1998/06/01)
Pilatus 12
1T
1*

http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... t42102.htm