Another fine example of police taking care of their own

[Donald]

Mountie linked with airport Taser death arrested after fatal crash

Mountie linked with airport Taser death arrested after fatal crash

A Richmond RCMP officer who allegedly failed a breathalyzer test after being arrested following a fatal crash in Delta on Saturday night was also present when a Polish immigrant died at Vancouver airport last October, police confirmed Tuesday.

Police have not yet released the name of the officer, who has not been charged in either incident.

But RCMP Sgt. Tim Shields confirmed the officer was one of four present when Robert Dziekanski died shortly after being stunned with a Taser by police at Vancouver International Airport.

The officer was arrested on Saturday night after a fatal traffic accident in Delta left one man dead. Police said the driver of a Jeep failed a breathalyzer test following his arrest.
Orion Hutchinson, 21, was westbound on his motorcycle on 6th Avenue in the suburb of Tsawwassen when he collided with the eastbound Jeep at the intersection of Gilchrist Drive, according to a statement released Tuesday morning by Delta police.

Hutchinson was thrown from his bike, suffered traumatic injuries and was pronounced dead at the scene, police said.

An off-duty member of the RCMP was arrested at the scene and transported to the Delta police headquarters, where he took a breathalyzer test and failed, according to the Delta Police statement.

The officer was later released without being charged on a promise to appear in Surrey provincial court on Jan. 15, Const. Paul Eisensimmer told CBC News on Tuesday morning.

An earlier police press release incorrectly stated the officer had been charged with impaired driving causing death and exceeding a blood alcohol level of 0.08.

But Eisensimmer said those charges have only been recommended to Crown prosecutors. He said the incident remains under investigation and it will be some time before Crown prosecutors can determine whether to lay charges and what charges they'll be.
Delta police said their victim's services unit had been in contact with the victim's family.

[Topspin]

I grew up in that town....

http://www.canada.com/vancouversun/news ... 2c0acbb505

RCMP officer in deadly accident was at airport Taser incident

B.C. Mountie released on promise to appear for impaired driving causing death in Delta was one of the four officers involved in Tasering Robert Dziekanski

Chad Skelton, Vancouver Sun
Published: Tuesday, October 28, 2008

METRO VANCOUVER - One of the four RCMP officers involved in the Tasering of Polish immigrant Robert Dziekanski is facing charges of impaired driving causing death after a collision in Delta Saturday night.

Orion Hutchinson, 21, was west bound on his motorcycle on Sixth Ave. when he and his bike collided with an east-bound Jeep driven by an RCMP member at the intersection of Gilchrist. Hutchinson was thrown from his bike and suffered traumatic injuries and was pronounced dead at the scene.

The driver of the Jeep was given a demand for the breathalyser and transported to the Delta Police Headquarters where, according to a police news release, he took the breath-test and failed.

The officer has been released on a Promise to Appear for Impaired Driving Causing Death and Exceeding .08 and will attend Surrey Provincial Court on Jan. 15, 2009.

Because the officer has not yet been charged, his name has not been released.

However, at a news conference today, RCMP spokesman Sgt. Tim Shields confirmed the officer is one of the four involved in the Tasering of Dziekanski a year ago.

Dziekanski died shortly after being Tasered.

Shields said the officer in question has been suspended with pay.

Before the incident, said Shields, the officer was working for the RCMP's 2010 Olympic security unit.

[Youngback]

There are any number of charges he could be facing. The reason why there was no charge is that they will be looking at how severe and how many charges they are able to lay. They won't know that until the investigation is complete. By the time he has his court date, they will start laying charges. If they laid charges now, it would be based on incomplete information. The police arrest and let people go on promises to appear all the time. This case wouldn't be anything new. The only thing different is the person involved is that the person involved is an RCMP member and one who has already been in a notorious case at that.

[B-rad]

this just blows me away. i know every one is human and there are a few bad apples in every bunch but i can not believe how this officer would be driving drunk with his two daughters in the vehicle... what kind of role model is that.. my god.

its doesn't seam shocking anymore as i grow up to realize how there is always special treatment to special people. this happened 3 days ago and they keep it under the covers as long as possible.

[North Shore]

there is always special treatment to special people. this happened 3 days ago and they keep it under the covers as long as possible.

You could read it that way; the other would be that the Delta police saw that this would be a higher-than-normal profile case, and are taking their time to make sure that everything is done correctly and thoroughly so as to avoid any appearance of impropriety, or special treatment..

[B-rad]

this wasnt reported in the news untill today! they only came out with it once the public caught wind of it...

i dont discredit what you say but i strongly believe they would sweep it under the carpet if they could. this isn't the result of police doing their jobs involved in high speed chase where there are civilians hurt in a collision... this is an embarresment to the RCMP as it would be for anyone. its just such a shame and tragedy.

[B-rad]

on aside.. what do you figure was his intention when he gave his driver licence to a neighbor of the scene, took his two daughters from the jeep and ran. without checking on the motorbiker. to later be breathalized.. he was not breathalized at the scene like the posting might lead you to.

i don't want to jump to imediate opinion of this guy but also the media is definatly guilty of trying to lead on the sketchy kind of character he is by being involved with the tazer issue and how he managed to weasel his way into a prestigious position as being on the squad for twenty-ten if he cant handle his role to his community and his country. I wish they could report on this kind of thing without dwelling on his YVR thing last year. what kind of guy is this not on the job.

[Davjavu]

This is the first time I've ever posted anything.

I knew Orion from his birth and am close friends with the family.
His mom and dad and I have known each other since junior high.

I have many RCMP members who are friends too. I honour and respect them for what they do...

But not this f*ck-wad.

edited, Lil

Seen him in the local pub from time to time bragging about how he's an undercover cop...
And he's really just a wannabe.

As if someone undercover would risk blowing that cover by bragging about it to girls in a bar.
Loser! I guess he thinks that's more impressive than being an airport cop.

How this idiot gets a plum job with 2010 after killing some poor bastard with a Taser is an outrage.
What most people don't know is that the cops wouldn't even take the cuffs of the guy so the firefighters could do CPR on him.

Watch the video of the Tasering if you can find it online.

If I remember correctly he's the guy who pulled the trigger... Twice.
I think he's first nations and I only add that so you can identify him.

I trust the Delta Police on this. They're pretty straight shooters for the most part.

And I think they're more loyal to Orion's dad who is a Delta Firefighter than the RCMP.

They did the right thing by taking him in and giving him a proper breathalizer. They're just making sure all the details are nailed down so this jerk doesn't walk on a technicality.

And there's no delay in the charges.
The thing to remember is that in BC the police do not lay charges.
They investigate and recommend charges to the Crown, and it is the Crown that lays the charge.

Hope this a-hole gets sacked.

He's a menace and has already killed twice.

[Topspin]

there is always special treatment to special people. this happened 3 days ago and they keep it under the covers as long as possible.

You could read it that way; the other would be that the Delta police saw that this would be a higher-than-normal profile case, and are taking their time to make sure that everything is done correctly and thoroughly so as to avoid any appearance of impropriety, or special treatment..

As somebody that spent 21 years living in that town I don't believe that delta police could tie there own shoelaces together without a 32 page instruction manual.

[North Shore]

on aside.. what do you figure was his intention when he gave his driver licence to a neighbor of the scene, took his two daughters from the jeep and ran. without checking on the motorbiker. to later be breathalized.. he was not breathalized at the scene like the posting might lead you to.

.... That's the unconscionable thing for me - What sort of person walks away from a major accident without checking to see if everyone's OK?? You'd think that the massive jolt of adrenalin after the bang would get you thinking somewhat soberly, no?

I wonder if he'll be getting a paid holiday for a while, or if he'll be suspended without pay?

Perhaps I'm being naive, but I'd like to think of the RCMP as being a good, competent, fair force - kinda like the symbol of Canada that they are 'marketed' as. Stuff like this seems to be occurring with regularity nowadays - WTF?

ETA: Sorry to criticise, but the post above giving the guy's first name could conceivably cause some legal difficulties for AvCanada - perhaps it should be edited out?..

edited as requested: Lil

[Davjavu]

To North Shore:
Your criticism may have been justified sir.

But the press has now figured it out and published his full name anyway.
So since it's no longer a secret...


To Mr. Benjamin Monty Robinson,

Soldiers have a saying:

Once happens...
Twice is a coincidence...
But three times is enemy action

Karma has a way of catching up with you don't it?

[North Shore]

Davjavu: No offence meant, and I wasn't aware that the press had figured out his name..

[Topspin]

Cpl. Benjamin Monty Robinson

[Topspin]

there is always special treatment to special people. this happened 3 days ago and they keep it under the covers as long as possible.

You could read it that way; the other would be that the Delta police saw that this would be a higher-than-normal profile case, and are taking their time to make sure that everything is done correctly and thoroughly so as to avoid any appearance of impropriety, or special treatment..

Actually, it's all about special treatment. With no charges laid, his name was not required to be released to the public. And that's bullshit. They could have charged him with impaired driving to begin with, and then added more charges later.

Cops don't press charges, they recommend them to the crown. At least this is true of a standard DUI.

If the book was followed he would have left the police station with an interim DL & a promise to appear. If the cops were on their game they would have issued a notice to seek greater punishment, but this I doubt.

The DPD will assemble all the evidence and forward it to the crown prosecutor who will decide on charges and present them to the court.

I imagine that for capital crimes it is a little bit different, but I don't know which realm this would fall under. Impared driving causing death is still an MVA violation, so I don't imagine Joe Average would sitting in a cell either.

[Dex]

Anyone know how much time had past from the accident to the man's breathalyser test?

[Topspin]

Anyone know how much time had past from the accident to the man's breathalyser test?

No idea, it shouldn't matter though. A fail is a fail.

[Dex]

Anyone know how much time had past from the accident to the man's breathalyser test?

No idea, it shouldn't matter though. A fail is a fail.

http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/ShowDoc/cs ... ting=false


254(3) or section 256 or with the accused’s consent and if

(i) at the time the sample was taken, the person taking the sample took an additional sample of the blood of the accused and one of the samples was retained to permit an analysis of it to be made by or on behalf of the accused and, in the case where the accused makes a request within six months from the taking of the samples, one of the samples was ordered to be released under subsection (4),

(ii) both samples referred to in subparagraph (i) were taken as soon as practicable and in any event not later than two hours after the time when the offence was alleged to have been committed,

(iii) both samples referred to in subparagraph (i) were taken by a qualified medical practitioner or a qualified technician under the direction of a qualified medical practitioner,

(iv) both samples referred to in subparagraph (i) were received from the accused directly into, or placed directly into, approved containers that were subsequently sealed, and

(v) an analysis was made by an analyst of at least one of the samples,

evidence of the result of the analysis is conclusive proof that the concentration of alcohol in the accused’s blood both at the time when the samples were taken and at the time when the offence was alleged to have been committed was the concentration determined by the analysis or, if more than one sample was analyzed and the results of the analyses are the same, the concentration determined by the analyses and, if the results of the analyses are different, the lowest of the concentrations determined by the analyses, in the absence of evidence tending to show all of the following three things — that the analysis was performed improperly, that the improper performance resulted in the determination that the concentration of alcohol in the accused’s blood exceeded 80 mg of alcohol in 100 mL of blood, and that the concentration of alcohol in the accused’s blood would not in fact have exceeded 80 mg of alcohol in 100 mL of blood at the time when the offence was alleged to have been committed;

[Rowdy]

I have numerous friends amongst the DPD. Hell my best friend is a member. Good, solid and fair group of men and women in my opinion. I know quite a few RCMP as well and as of late, I can't say them same for all of them. I've personally been bullied by rcmp members on power trips. It was as if they were LOOKING for fights and we just happened to be around. It was actually quite disgusting to watch and some complaints were filed as a result on both occasions. Who polices the police? Nobody. And this is how and why the bad apples amongst the group continue to get away with EVERYTHING!

As much as I want to support and stand behind the law enforcers and regulators. Its getting very difficult these days to have any respect when there are quite a few that solely use their position as a powertrip or cover up for their own agendas and personal faults.

I hope we see this taken care of properly. Time will tell.

[Dex]

When the Federal Police Force starts unnecessarily brutalizing its citizens we know the problem stems from the top; intentional or failure. In this case if you believe our RCMP is out of control get out your pen and paper and demand justice from Peter Van Loan, from the Conservative Party of Canada. He is the new Minister of Public Safety Canada; Stockwell Day was the last. Write your MP as well.

http://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/about/organi_e.htm

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police is organized under the authority of the RCMP Act. In accordance with the Act, it is headed by the Commissioner, who, under the direction of the Minister of Public Safety Canada , has the control and management of the Force and all matters connected therewith.

The Royal Canadian Mounted Police enforces throughout Canada laws made by, or under, the authority of the Canadian Parliament. Administration of justice within the provinces, including enforcement of the Criminal Code, is part of the power and duty delegated to the provincial governments. The RCMP provides police services under the terms of policing agreements to all provinces (except Ontario and Quebec), Yukon, the Northwest Territories and Nunavut, and under separate municipal policing agreements to 197 municipalities.

In 1996, the RCMP began moving towards a more regional management system under the direction of deputy commissioners. Four regions were developed: Pacific, Northwestern, Central and Atlantic. This change ensures there is greater grass-roots involvement in decision-making and also allows the RCMP to invest more resources into frontline services.

[B-rad]

i think this thread has segwayed into rcmp unnecessarily brutalizing people when this wasn't the case. This was a drunk officer behind the wheel who ended up killing someone. he wasn't power tripping or abusing his power. just going against what they strongly preach and getting treated lighter then the general public. the fact is they should be punished harder then anyone else as THEY SHOULD KNOW BETTER. young offenders get off easier then adults because or not being as mature in life and not knowing better (more or less) the punishment should be stiffer for the ones that should know best. How do you think a pilot would fare in this situation. the public would be disgusted as they are. but we wouldn't get off easy. i would expect a judge to come down on us for knowing better. as should this low life. time will tell what happens to him. never the less, i bet he is very remorseful. too bad someone else pays for his stupidity.

[ronjeremy]

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[B-rad]

Hey Ron. your very right, the media does mess up stories and make many mistakes about aviation and its something to keep in mind when watching these stories too.

The underlining issue tho I dont think they made a mistake when they tell how an off duty officer killed a young man by driving drunk.

Hopefully the good they can take out of it is by showing the public that anyone who drinks and drives is making a poor choice that has horrible consequences. As they already do but this shows the human element. this is something they can take to the public and say it CAN happen to you if you get behind the wheel drunk. it can happen to your parents, your friends and even the police who are out there to stop this from happening.

[Topspin]

I have numerous friends amongst the DPD. Hell my best friend is a member. Good, solid and fair group of men and women in my opinion. I know quite a few RCMP as well and as of late, I can't say them same for all of them.

Some stories from growing up in Tsawwassen, admittedly we weren't the best of teenagers but....

Hanging out at a friends house, about 10 of us. We were loud but not noise complaint loud. Sitting around watching a hockey game or something when they walk right in through the front door. My friend that lives there stands up to say WTH!? and promptly gets thrown through the 52" projection TV.

At a house party in Ladner, we were being hooligans here. They were fairly reasonable as we were dispersing, but I saw a guy start to get loud. They approached rapidly, and he shut up just as rapidly. He put his hands in the air and said something like, "OK, I'm leaving." Another officer approached from behind and placed his right hand behind his left shoulder via the behind the back route. This separated the shoulder and broke the collarbone. They also decided to drive him around in the back of the cruiser for no less than 2 hours in this state.

The school liaison at my high school was a known womanizer and drunk. Very few of friends mothers had not been approached/abused at the local pub. It got to the point of one friends mother, he approached her and placed his hands directly down her shirt in the middle of the pub.

A friend was riding a bicycle home drunk, and went to cross the road. He was hit by a fellow drunk driving a truck. Drunk driver was released, and my friend was cited for operating a bicycle while drunk. I know he was definitely at fault for being drunk in the road, but......

All of the local drug dealers are known, and have been for years. Cops do nothing, but being drunk in a park is a jailable offense. Admittedly I wasn't the best teenager, but was never punished for breaking the law in a serious manor. Yet being drunk outside at night landed me in jail no less than 4 times.

Pepper spray is used routinely & randomly. I could write a page about this.

I went to school with a guy, not really mentally stable, not crazy but not right. He somehow made his way onto the force. Not 1 month later I heard from a friends siblings about him pulling his gun on them on the side of the highway, he pulled them over for speeding.

I know a few members that are great respectable people, perhaps 5-6. My respect level for the force as a whole though, rests somewhere around -150%. I won't defend the RCMP, although personal experience with them has been perfect. I would love to see change in delta.

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Great post topspin...really well thought out and delivered.

Orion Hutchinson, is 21 year old. 21 years old! In my humble opinion, that's way to young for anyone 'young' adult to be a constable.

Constable is a word deriving from the Latin, "comes stabuli".

Definition:
"The purpose of the police is to maintain safety, security, peace and order in society. The police shall further this purpose by means of preven-tion, assistance and law enforcement."

Most 21 year olds I know don't have the slightest clue on how to manage their own lives. A Constable in my humble opinion is the hardest job on many levels and it is one I KNOW I could never do.

To place ALL that resposibility on a young adult shoulders may be more than their undeveloped and unmatured sense of conscience can handle at the tender age of 21!!! They simply have not developed the life skills and tools needed to being able to cope with the high stress demands of the job.

And those that seek out such programs will be viewed as 'pussies' and sensitive phaggots from within their own peer group of officers.

Thats brutal...and a jurassic old school way of thinking that has no room in our society. Especially when my property taxes are paying for these types of 'help' programs that are not being utilized enough to better and benefit those in need of some support and coping mechanisms.

Bumping up the age to 25 at least should be a starting point.

[Topspin]

Great post topspin...really well thought out and delivered.

Orion Hutchinson, is 21 year old. 21 years old! In my humble opinion, that's way to young for anyone 'young' adult to be a constable.

Constable is a word deriving from the Latin, "comes stabuli".

Definition:
"The purpose of the police is to maintain safety, security, peace and order in society. The police shall further this purpose by means of preven-tion, assistance and law enforcement."

Most 21 year olds I know don't have the slightest clue on how to manage their own lives. A Constable in my humble opinion is the hardest job on many levels and it is one I KNOW I could never do.

To place ALL that resposibility on a young adult shoulders may be more than their undeveloped and unmatured sense of conscience can handle at the tender age of 21!!! They simply have not developed the life skills and tools needed to being able to cope with the high stress demands of the job.

And those that seek out such programs will be viewed as 'pussies' and sensitive phaggots from within their own peer group of officers.

Thats brutal...and a jurassic old school way of thinking that has no room in our society. Especially when my property taxes are paying for these types of 'help' programs that are not being utilized enough to better and benefit those in need of some support and coping mechanisms.

Bumping up the age to 25 at least should be a starting point.

Hutchinson was the victim. The officer was Benjamin Monty Robinson.