Technicians face manslaughter charges for Spanair disaster

[Vimana]

HAHAHAHA I usually swear allegiance to whoever brings the tim bits

[bombardierfixer]

Ditto. Pilots are usually good for dragging your drunk butt home too. It's not a pilot / AME thing, its a good guy vs Douche bag thing. We have to work together and Pilots and Engineers who figure that out have a way better time.

Oh the thread has been totally Hijacked now.

[KISS_MY_TCAS]

It's not a pilot / AME thing, its a good guy vs Douche bag thing.

Precisely why Strega spends so much time alone at home on his computer.

[Strega]

It's not a pilot / AME thing, its a good guy vs Douche bag thing.

Precisely why Strega spends so much time alone at home on his computer.

If it makes you feel better to call me a douchebag, so be it.. Im certain you have a much better life,do more things, and have more friends and money than I do....

[Vimana]

Now Now gentlemen, Strega may know how to push buttons (that's obvious) but I'm sure he's not all bad.

And you are right...... without each other - pilots and ame's would be unemployed and miserable! (or unemployed and happy - depending on your point of view ) Either way, I'm glad for both.

[bombardierfixer]

Oh I never meant anyone in particular. If someone feels singled out it may be their conscience talking. If you are going to come onto a thread and look for a fight you are generally going to find one and there is more than enough people here that will oblige you, or when you start a thread obviously challenging a particular group, the response is going to be quite vitriolic. I'm sure certain people on this and many topics have valid points but the message is lost in they way they choose to go about making their points and thus in the future loosing any credibility that they may have had. That is where the good guy Vs the Douche bag thing comes from. But hey that's just me.

[Vimana]

Oh I never meant anyone in particular. If someone feels singled out it may be their conscience talking. If you are going to come onto a thread and look for a fight you are generally going to find one and there is more than enough people here that will oblige you, or when you start a thread obviously challenging a particular group, the response is going to be quite vitriolic. I'm sure certain people on this and many topics have valid points but the message is lost in they way they choose to go about making their points and thus in the future loosing any credibility that they may have had. That is where the good guy Vs the Douche bag thing comes from. But hey that's just me.

You have a good point! Having come from a communications background - you describe perfectly how to put up barriers and destroy ones reputation. However, perhaps not "everyone" is looking to be taken seriously here.

Believe you me, I am serious about the timbits though

[niss]

Where was it I read that the AMEs used to shake hands with the pilot after a sign off just to remind everyone who they were going to kill if they didn't do their job?

[bombardierfixer]

What? Thats a little over the top don't you think.

[iflyforpie]

The truth is everyone needs to work together in this industry. Most of the companies I've worked for had an OC and an AMO and while there were the usual jives between pilot and mechanic for the most part it was good. I do both for a living and I don't argue with myself.

Even AM Not Engineers and Aero Engineers need to work together and respect each other too. I've played a small part in several engineering projects and every single time (and I'm sure every AME will agree) the paperwork doesn't match the situation at hand and we either have to jury rig a fix and redo the engineering paperwork to verify it, or have the aero engineers start again from scratch

[bombardierfixer]

Zactly! Working together is the way to go, all you need is to respect people and in turn you'll get it. Well most of the time, your still gonna run into "that guy" who wants to cause problems, but they ussually go away over time.

[brownbear]

With the crew it comes down to trust.

I have no issues taking my family on any airplane I have maintained. That said I am an AME who'd rather not go on every test flight etc. I have full confidence in my repairs, I am not scared/afraid. I just don't like bombing around, Mostly cause of the dozens upon dozens of flight tests I have been on the pilots have been asses and made me uncomfortable. But if its required I will be there to show I trust my work, now let me trust your flying skills.

[jetmech]

As for the MD-80 I don't know for sure, but on Boeings, such as a 727, the flight crew in addition to there regular after start check list, also do a check of the takeoff warning horn circuit on the taxi out. A few times there have been return to gate's for this very horn failing to sound. Sometimes it's a breaker left out, sometimes it's a flap switch. Regardless, this should have been caught in the cockpit. Of course hindsite is 20/20 and we will never really know.

[iflyforpie]

There was a 727 accident a few years ago which was a result of a non-sterile cockpit and not setting flaps before takeoff. Another one was in a Covair 580 where the flaps were found extended enough to deactivate the horn (no detents on the Convair) but not enough for takeoff. Most likely crew was checking engine power before takeoff and didn't want the horn going off.

In this case it is a chain of events that led to the crash. The mech didn't perform proper maintenance. The crew wasn't vigilant in checking the flap setting and horn operation.

[qa guy]

In this case it is a chain of events that led to the crash. The mech didn't perform proper maintenance. The crew wasn't vigilant in checking the flap setting and horn operation.[/quote]

It usually is a joint effort!

[torquey401]

I, for one, attempt to maintain the highest standard of airworthiness for the work that I do. I try to do all the right things all the time. I like the people who fly on the aircraft I maintain and it would be devastating to me if an oversight on my part caused harm to them. But I am human, and the odd mistake is made. I feel like shit afterwards and try to learn from it - that is the best I can do.

There are others at my work who take a much more relaxed attitude, and tell me that "it's only a job". These are also the same people who will point their fingers and crucify you if you dare make a mistake and dare take responsibility for it. These are also the same people who pencil whip inspections, cancel parts ordered (because they know better, of course) and direct me to not to try to do my best. And then I'm told to not worry about it all, because these other people will take care of it on my behalf. Nothing like setting you up for success, eh?

Professionalism doesn't come from a piece of paper, your status in the company or the amount of yelling you do at others to make your point (bullying). It is a frame of mind. If you want to be considered a professional, walk the talk.

PS Before I forget ... @#$! you, Strega! I've read your BS on here before and you are just perpetuating the same crap that has been in this industry for decades.

[Strega]

I, for one, attempt to maintain the highest standard of airworthiness for the work that I do. I try to do all the right things all the time. I like the people who fly on the aircraft I maintain and it would be devastating to me if an oversight on my part caused harm to them. But I am human, and the odd mistake is made. I feel like shit afterwards and try to learn from it - that is the best I can do.

There are others at my work who take a much more relaxed attitude, and tell me that "it's only a job". These are also the same people who will point their fingers and crucify you if you dare make a mistake and dare take responsibility for it. These are also the same people who pencil whip inspections, cancel parts ordered (because they know better, of course) and direct me to not to try to do my best. And then I'm told to not worry about it all, because these other people will take care of it on my behalf. Nothing like setting you up for success, eh?

Professionalism doesn't come from a piece of paper, your status in the company or the amount of yelling you do at others to make your point (bullying). It is a frame of mind. If you want to be considered a professional, walk the talk.

PS Before I forget ... @#$! you, Strega! I've read your BS on here before and you are just perpetuating the same crap that has been in this industry for decades.

Classy response, considering this:
"Professionalism doesn't come from a piece of paper, your status in the company or the amount of yelling you do at others to make your point (bullying). It is a frame of mind. If you want to be considered a professional, walk the talk."

[KISS_MY_TCAS]

Once again, respect paid where it is due.

[ourkid2000]

Indeed.........give no respect and you'll get none in return.

[torquey401]

Like I mentioned, I am human and I had a really bad week being "supervised" by someone who thinks very high of himself. Coming here and reading more of the same just made me relive the BS again and I vented a bit too much. My stress got the best of me.

I sincerely appologize to all who were offended.

Note to self - don't go to avcanada when pissed off!