just another catsa rant.

[Guido]

I have to agree with Guido. Just look at the prics at YZF they're all white

Would this NOT be considered "racist"? Referring to a group as "all white"? And "prics" in the same sentence? I don't recall referring to any "race, colour or creed".......Seems to be Okay here to dump on white persons???? Well it just is NOT OKAY. Are you ashamed to be white? Maybe some should pull their heads out of their politically correct asses and smell the roses?

Now I feel even worse for having gone after your bait in the first place, Doc. This attempt is even more pitiful.

It's not ok to dump on ANYONE based on their race. Idiot. (Note, I did not call you a "white idiot" - I think you're an idiot because you are one regardless of your race.)

[E-Flyer]

Guido give your head a shake. Doc did not say anything in his post that any of us had not thought about...nor was his post "racist". I listen to the PC bunch and you have deffinately been "brainwashed" into believing that all Canadians are racists, bigots, homo crap, etc.

And if you think that the new Cdns are so great just ask an old Air Canada Captain about some new Cdn from South Asia who tried to remove the gold wings from his jacket at YVR.

Y'know, you're right. I heard about this white guy who once hung a black guy just because he was black. Therefore all white guys are racist murderers. Thank you so much for pointing out the error in my ways.

Hey,

I really don't think racism is the issue here, or else all the "minorities" would have no issue going through security. Racism exists in the CBP though, even to the point where they don't educate them selves on the regulations. But that's totally different.

I'm a minority, wait, isn't the white race a minority now? anyway ! haha, and the times I've had problems were very random; if it was a race issue then they would have me screened to the butt every time.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

[Doc]

(Note, I did not call you a "white idiot" - I think you're an idiot because you are one regardless of your race.)

And I think you are a mature, sensitive, caring human being. On some level, at least.

Here Guido, Guido...

[SK_pile_it]

alright people back to the topic at hand here, anyone no matter what race, once under CATSA rules seems to throw away all common sense. For example I was just finishing up a shift at YXE (for a company no longer in existance) and was getting on a westjet flight to YWG to visit some friends for my week off. I was on an company special rate for westjet travel so i had to wear a uniform or business suit of some kind so i opted to leave my uniform on as well as temporary (blue) security pass (i was new to the YXE base but had been with the company since start up) I was going through security (with boarding pass in hand) and was denied access through screening because i was not accompanied by someone with a full (red) security pass. I shook my head and told the guy he was a moron and pointed out everyone behind me did not even have a security pass of any kind nor did anyone in front of me. The manager heard the commotion and came over to investigate the problem. I told him I was just off work and was getting on a westjet flight to YWG and showed him my boarding pass. He shook his head and told the imbucile working the line i was in to just screen me and let me through.
Honestly, is common sense really brainwashed out of these zombies?

[Doc]

And, it's only going to get worse. I've had nail clippers removed from bags, had headsets questioned and was not allowed to board an aircraft with my full face motorcycle helmet! These people are MORONS!!! Low IQ seems to be a requirement of employment? So does "no fixed address" as yet....fish fish...

I know, I know....I can't help myself. Seriously though, the attitudes at airport security suck!

[TG]

This article was the main subject of a good topic at PPrune:
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200811/airport-security

Airport security in America is a sham—“security theater(sic)” designed to make travelers feel better and catch stupid terrorists. Smart ones can get through security with fake boarding passes and all manner of prohibited items—as our correspondent did with ease.
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I’ve amassed an inspiring collection of al-Qaeda T-shirts, Islamic Jihad flags, Hezbollah videotapes, and inflatable Yasir Arafat dolls (really). All these things I’ve carried with me through airports across the country. I’ve also carried, at various times: pocketknives, matches from hotels in Beirut and Peshawar, dust masks, lengths of rope, cigarette lighters, nail clippers, eight-ounce tubes of toothpaste (in my front pocket), bottles of Fiji Water (which is foreign), and, of course, box cutters. I was selected for secondary screening four times—out of dozens of passages through security checkpoints—during this extended experiment. At one screening, I was relieved of a pair of nail clippers; during another, a can of shaving cream
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“Counterterrorism in the airport is a show designed to make people feel better,” he said. “Only two things have made flying safer: the reinforcement of cockpit doors, and the fact that passengers know now to resist hijackers.” This assumes, of course, that al-Qaeda will target airplanes for hijacking, or target aviation at all. “We defend against what the terrorists did last week,” Schneier said. He believes that the country would be just as safe as it is today if airport security were rolled back to pre-9/11 levels. “Spend the rest of your money on intelligence, investigations, and emergency response.”
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Pilots—or people dressed as pilots—are screened, as the public knows, but that’s because they enter the airport through the front door. The employees who drive fuel trucks, and make french fries at McDonald’s, and clean airplane bathrooms (to the extent that they’re cleaned anymore) do not pass through magnetometers when they enter the airport, and their possessions are not searched. To me this always seemed to be, well, another “vulnerability.”
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“Do you know what you have on the inside of an airport?” Hawley asked me. “You have all the military traveling, you have guns, chemicals, jet fuel. So the idea that we would spend a whole lot of resources putting a perimeter around that, running every worker, 50,000 people, every day, through security—why in the heck would you do that? Because all they have to do is walk through clean and then have someone throw something over a fence.”

Like he wrote: “Spend the rest of your money on intelligence, investigations, and emergency response.”

[E-Flyer]

Great Post !

It's true, rolling back to security like pre 9/11 will have no impact on terrorism in my opinion. Making every human being feel like a convict makes the over all generality of air travel seem safer eh? What I see though is pissing people off enough times can potentially be another indicator of interest resulting in people planning attacks? It's basic 2 + 2 strategy if you think about it. In hockey, Hordichuck pisses Iginla off a few times, and there's an attack implemented, pushing and shoving, which normally leads to fights. Put aside that whole al-quida stuff; the base of terrorism if you ask me is due to greed, other wise there should be no reason why it should exist. Something, some ideaology, some body, some nation pisses another subject off, and in response the subject shows the actions of "revenge" on the assailant. It's basic human psychology if you ask me; obviously everybody doesn't take such humongous measures in terms of revenge, as for most it stays at the level of mouthing back to the CATSA agents, writing letters, etc. But there is always the one idiotic character who decides that violence might be a better way.

If it would be anybody, I would actually be more afraid of the white dude sitting beside me in a plane because he has probably been treated like Ali baba at the airport so many times he has gotten enough.

But no, we promised we would keep racism off ! I was just kidding.

[RatherBeFlying]

Then there's those of us who've decided to take the train or drive. If you add now having to arrive two hours earlier for security, driving or the train becomes reasonable for longer distances.