Peninsulair locked out at CYHM by Tradeport!

[xsbank]

I don't buy it. If I own an asset and I hire someone to manage it, I am still the owner and I still have oversight. The city is to blame. Whoever is running the city is to blame.

[Cat Driver]

Exactly:

[freakonature]

Of course the city is to blame! Unfortunatly the city gave away their control. Peninsulair will alway's own their hanger. Just not on a Tradeport lease. Vesting clause aside.

[StillFlyin]

Stoney Creek has been considered and is still in the cards. Peninslair would much rather stay put for now because the logistics of moving a hangar full of aircraft (some not flying), parts, office equipment, simulators and 62 years of built up stuff with nowhere to store it at the other end is impossible in the timeframe tradeport is talking. Give Peninsulair 6-12 months rent free after we find a new home, buy the Hangar at a fair price and we'll vacate. Peninsulairs cares about more than just money, they care about their dedicated staff and #1 they care about thier students and other customers. As things progress You'll be kept up to date but our main goal right now is to get operations back to normal.

[Cat Driver]

This is quite sad to read about because Glen White was very good to me back in the years when I was first getting into commercial aviation.

I remember him calling me when I was in Florida buying a Pawnee 235 in 1961 and asking me to ferry a Cherokee back for him.....I still remember the registration CF-NVU and the Pawnee was CF-NVY...aahhh those were the days.

Hamilton airport will be losing a very important asset if Peninsulair is forced out of business by these people.

[WingsUpWheelsDown]

There are certainly many concerns at HYM that are causing our City Rep's...Mayor included..to keep their heads in the sand...waiting for the dust to clear. Peninsulair and the 447 Wing are definitely in the way, or better yet, sitting on much needed serviced lands. The CITY???? Well, they'll keep their heads buried in the sand, because they just haven't been able to agree on anything to get Airport Lands serviced...this has been going on for years. The Province...they pulled through with the Highway 6 extension. The Developers came and bought commercial land(that was promised to be serviced). There's been residential subdivisions built..everyone has had a vision, except the City of Hamilton. So now, as Tradeport moves ahead, thirsty for serviced land, it chomps away at the small and weak, the heritage tenants that made Hamilton Airport an airport to begin with. Now the City has no where to go...but heads down and butts up...neck deep in the sand. I sent letters out to absolutely everyone, and only Dave Mitchel was decent enough to answer.

Glenn's letter was more than touching. I had a tear in my eye a few nights ago when I saw another young line crew guy at the local gas station handing out his resume. I had a knot in my stomach on Friday night when I had to visit a client at the 447 and heard about the pressure on the Club as they claw for their survival.

Yes, HYM has been home to Peninsulair and the 447 for decades. Now, we wake up to realize that things are changing. Perhaps Stoney Creek Airport would make a wonderful new home. Perhaps it would be a win-win situation for not only PenAir, but the operators of Stoney Creek Airport as well? A peaceful Airport where General Aviation could flourish? As always...when one door closes another one opens...and there could be a place right down the road where Tradeport doesn't sit on the throne!

[Driving Rain]

This is quite sad to read about because Glen White was very good to me back in the years when I was first getting into commercial aviation.

I remember him calling me when I was in Florida buying a Pawnee 235 in 1961 and asking me to ferry a Cherokee back for him.....I still remember the registration CF-NVU and the Pawnee was CF-NVY...aahhh those were the days.

Hamilton airport will be losing a very important asset if Peninsulair is forced out of business by these people.

Wow ., I too go back to Peninsulair though not as fat back as you. I remember getting my multi IFR with them and Martins Simulation in 1970 and doing a ramp rat thing with them when Nordair was flying. They treated me well. It is a sad day indeed.

[Siddley Hawker]

The flying club here bought a used Aztec from White in 1968. I did my multi and IFR on it. The airplane had a few snags on it, so I ferried it back to HM and White fixed them under warranty. Anybody remember the name of that bar on the way downtown from Mount Hope that had the mynah bird in a cage over the bar? That thing could speak better English than most of the clientele.

[dashx]

http://www.flyhi.ca/about/faqs/am_fqas_8.shtml

TradePort International Corporation is majority owned by YVR Airport Services (Hamilton) Ltd., a subsidiary of the Vancouver International Airport Services which operates 18 airports in 7 countries, including The Bahamas, Canada, Chile, Cyprus, Dominican Republic, Jamaica and the Turks and Caicos Islands.

http://www.flyhi.ca/newsletter/aom_news_13.shtml

Tradeport International Corporation

TradePort International Corporation manages the John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport under the terms of a 40-year lease with the City of Hamilton. TradePort is a consortium of Westpark Developments, a local Hamilton land development company, the Labourers International Union of North America (LIUNA) and YVR Airport Services. http://www.yhm.com

Vancouver Airport Services (YVRAS)

Vancouver Airport Services (YVRAS) is a subsidiary of the Vancouver International Airport Authority established in 1994 to market the expertise and operating philosophies developed at YVR. In 2001, CDC Capital Partners secured a 10 per cent share in YVRAS with an option of increasing its investment to 47 per cent. YVRAS currently operates twelve airports in four countries including: Fort. St. John, Kamloops, Moncton, Cranbrook, Santiago-Chile, Turks and Caicos, Dominican Republic and has consulting contracts at several other airports. http://www.yvras.com

The Americas
Lynden Pindling International Airport, Nassau, The Bahamas
Arturo Merino Benitez International Airport, Santiago, Chile
Cranbrook Airport, Cranbrook, British Columbia, Canada
Las Américas International Airport, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
Dr. Joaquin Balaguer International Airport, Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic
Gregorio Luperón International Airport, Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic
María Montez International Airport, Barahona, Dominican Republic
El Catey International Airport, Samaná, Dominican Republic
Arroyo Barril International Airport, Samaná, Dominican Republic
Fort St. John Airport, Fort St. John, British Columbia, Canada
John C. Munro Hamilton International Airport, Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Sangster International Airport, Montego Bay, Jamaica
Kamloops Airport, Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada
Greater Moncton International Airport, Moncton, New Brunswick, Canada
Providenciales International Airport, Providenciales, Turks & Caicos Islands
JAGS McCartney International Airport, Grand Turk, Turks & Caicos Islands
Europe
Larnaka International Airport, Cyprus
Pafos International Airport, Cyprus

Holy f-k.

[Dash-Ate]

The below was written by the 18 year old Son of Peninsulairs President.
I thought it worthy of sharing with you and hope it touches you as much as it did me. Thank you Glenn for writing it and thank you all that choose to read it.

This guy has more maturity at age 18 than many of us will ever have

[Splatm]

Their mission is to generate revenue.

And there lies the problem. When TC handed over management or ownership of these airports it should have been with a mandate to RUN AN AIRPORT not to make money, not to lease land for shopping malls, not to cater only to airlines or heavy cargo ops. These airports are public infrastructure and are need to be available to everyone. There is no operational reason to evict anyone at Hamilton.

[fleet16b]

Their mission is to generate revenue.

And there lies the problem. When TC handed over management or ownership of these airports it should have been with a mandate to RUN AN AIRPORT not to make money, not to lease land for shopping malls, not to cater only to airlines or heavy cargo ops. These airports are public infrastructure and are need to be available to everyone. There is no operational reason to evict anyone at Hamilton.

Well said !!!!!!!!!!!

[airbaby29]

As we were all shocked to hear about Peninsulair, I cant say I wasn't surprised.. We have known that Tradeport has been after them for some time now, and I must say that if I had any part in that company, I would have gotten out of YHM a long time ago and relocated before this happened. I feel for the family deeply, and understand this was a huge burden and disappointment for everyone, including the staff and students, and even the patrons that may have used the hangars to store their aircraft.. But I must say that after reading the letter written by the son of the owner, I was someone upset but not in the way that you may think. Although like I said, I am deeply sorry about all that has happened to him and his family.. to me the letter is all about himself. What about all the staff and students that were left out to dry also? It never mentioned anything about them... It just a story about how hes now going to have to sacrifice his school grades because now hes got to get a job to pay for it.. Well last time i checked, most of the general public pays for their own schooling.. its just life.. and im sorry but you have to do what you have to do to make things work. I know I did. And his parents have to take out a line of credit to help him? why doesn't he take out his own? then his parents don't have to. Hes old enough. Most people I know dont have the luxury of paying for school on their own and have to take out a loan. I'm STILL paying for my schooling years later!! It sucks but its life!!! What about this new car he bought? maybe that should have waited if he needed to pay for school? Or move back home to help out his parents? After all, apartments cost money. What are the priorities here? Im sorry if it looks like I am complaining here, but it just doesnt make sense to me. If your going to threaten someones life at tradeport also, maybe its not something you should make public!!! Cause I have read that in a letter written by him also.
I dont want the son of the company to be offended.. because Im just offering suggestions here. I want everyone to keep in mind that although im not on tradeports side at all, it is a business, and as evil as it is, businesses do what they can to profit themselves. Didnt Peninsulair do the same thing? I mean, buying yourselves a big house and putting your son though school is personal profit isnt it? Even if it means they hurt other companies in the process.. Its just how the world works. There is the black and white to every story.. and the grey in the middle.
I know im probably going to get a few people bashing me on my opinion, but its just how I feel! Not everyone gets everything handed to them on a silver platter...

[xsbank]

Classy, Airbaby, real class.

Ever hear of hard work? "Not everyone gets everything handed to them on a silver platter..." Do you think operating a business from the '40s is "...handed them on a silver platter?"

In fact Airbaby, you are a moron.

[fleet16b]

Classy, Airbaby, real class.

Ever hear of hard work? "Not everyone gets everything handed to them on a silver platter..." Do you think operating a business from the '40s is "...handed them on a silver platter?"

In fact Airbaby, you are a moron.

xsbank

Absolutely right ! Anyone who is familiar with the history of Pen Air know that keeping it or any flying service going no picnic
Glenn White is a Canadian Aviation Legend, it a shame that all he and his family have achieved can be wiped out so easily.

[Sabrea]

Before people get upset and start making claims, counter claims and such, maybe a few things can be cleared up. Is Penair declared a dissolved business or have they simply been denied the access to the place of primary business? If they are a dissolved business, then its the sack for all and call in the executioner. If this isn't the case then surely relocation of some parts of the business, after passing the nessecary infomation to TC, can be affected if only temporarily. Has Tradeport seized the assets for the company for an implied infraction of the lease or because they wish to prevent further business from being conducted from the premisis? If the former is the case then there is no action to be had until the lawyers get through with the shouting match, and if the latter is the case, TC should at least be informed of the minute particulars of logbooks, licences and such that are being withheld from their rightful owners (TC is governed by Fed law and makes some pretty tough calls regarding documents and equipment in the CARs). It's by no means a clear cut case and you may be told that its of no importance, but it helps to slow down the situation and keep people from being caught in the blood lust. Until there is a clearer path, patience may well be a virtue.

As for all the retoric and tears. THIS IS AVIATION, Grow a set of balls or ovaries and deal with it, or go back to your seat and wait for the filght attendant to tell you its ok to go to the bathroom. If you can't accept the responsibilities of your own actions and the consequences that come from them, DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KAFUFO]

THIS IS AVIATION, Grow a set of balls or ovaries

ovaries

really? when did they let girls into this little gig

[xsbank]

Sabrea, are you really Airbaby? Balls and ovaries??

This thread is just like when you go around the back of the hangar to dig the huffer cart or the herman out from under the pile of old drums and pallets and when you pull the tarp all those creatures come scurrying out.

[airbaby29]

im sorry you must have misunderstood me.. I never said the business didnt work hard, they have been around for quite some time, no doubt about that. Tradeport locking them out didnt have anything to do with how hard they worked.. they just didnt want them there anymore.
but thanks for the moron comment.

[xsbank]

I'm always willing to toss out a gratuitous insult, but usually after it seems like there is no other response possible after someone drops a real clanger. I think yours qualified. I suppose I could be persuaded to agree that you are not a moron but your comment was moronic?

While I'm on a roll, and I hope this wasn't you or I'll have to re-evaluate: "balls and ovaries...?"

Res ipsa loquitur.

[hazatude]

Let's try to keep this thread, "information only", and save the fighting and bashing for another thread.

[yem]

I hope a lot of people expressed their concern to the city, councilors, .....
Anyway , has there been any progress or developments ?
What 's happening with the hangar and its content (logbooks, student files, PTRs, .... planes and so on) ?

[hazatude]

Instructor Bob has the current logbooks and will be available from him through appointment only. All the other files and logbooks are safe. The groundschool is going to be completed by Bob.

Peninsulair is going to war with Tradeport and this should start Thursday.

[Old Dog Flying]

Hazatude: Please give my regards and best wishes to Rick White. His father gave me a boost in 1979 when things were going downhill for me and I have always appreciated his help. Glenn senior was a very big booster for general aviation and it is sad when big business can ruin everything he and the boys have worked so hard to build.

Barney Dunlevy

[hazatude]

He reads this forum and we all appreciate your sentiments.