Accident in Fort Severen

[hydraulic fluid]

Anyone know what happened in F.Severen?

[2milefinal]

CBC radio is reporting that it was a small aircraft with nose gear problems, everyone onboard is okay (good to hear).
sorry no link

[CLguy]

Wasaya PC-12 and it sounds like a nose gear collapsed on landing. No other details!

[polar one]

Could one of the computer guru's we have here, post the CADORS when it becomes available.

[Widow]

Here's Wasaya's PC12 ...

CADORS Number: 2008O2596 Reporting Region: Ontario

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2008/11/07
Occurrence Time: 0119 Z Day Or Night: night-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYXL Aerodrome Name: Sioux Lookout
Occurrence Location: Sioux Lookout (CYXL) Province: Ontario
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 101496-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationCollision with object
Runway excursion
Aircraft InformationFlight #: WSG559
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: PILATUS - SW Model: PC 12 45
Year Built: 1998 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: PRATT & WHITNEY-CAN Engine Model: PT6A-67B
Engine Type: Turbo prop Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Landing Damage: Unknown
Owner: WASAYA AIRWAYS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, BY ITS GENERAL PARTNER, WASAYA GENERAL PARTNER LIMITED Operator: WASAYA AIRWAYS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, BY ITS GENERAL PARTNER, WASAYA GENERAL PARTNER LIMITED (11802)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail InformationUser Name: Boles, Will
Date: 2008/11/07
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Commercial & Business Aviation
Narrative: The Wasaya Airways Limited Partnership Pilatus PC-12/45 aircraft (operating as flight WSG559) was on an IFR flight from Kasabonika (CYAQ) to Sioux Lookout Airport (CYXL). The aircraft slid to the west edge of Runway 16 during landing roll, struck and disabled 2 runway edge lights. The aircraft completed the landing roll without further incident.

[Tibor]

check date and time...apperently it hasnt happened yet.

[DHC3Rwannafly]

Incident Occurrence Date: 2008/11/07 ....looks like it has....3 days ago..................................................................

[pelmet]

A08C0228: A Pilatus PC-12/45, C-FKRB operated by Wasaya Airways as flight WSG532, was on approach to runway 33 at Fort Severn, ON. The aircraft crossed the threshold at VRef 98 kts, and the pilot-flying reduced engine power to idle. As the aircraft was flared for landing, the stall warning/stick pusher system emitted two beeps and the stick shaker activated followed immediately by the stick pusher. As the nose of the aircraft pitched down, both crew members overrode the stick pusher and the aircraft landed in a flat attitude before the stick pusher interrupt button could be depressed. The nosewheel axle casting broke and the nosewheel separated from the aircraft. The aircraft sustained substantial damage to the nose landing gear and propeller, and the crew and passengers were not injured.

[Bushav8er]

Thats not F.Severn or a gear collapse...was there another one?

EDIT - disregard...its all in the timing.

[Rudy]

Oh no. Bad week. Is everyone okay from the Sioux Lookout accident as well?
I hope the Fort Severn one wasn't that fellow that's always so nice on the radio. Was the prop heat still on?

[Caracrane]

looks like in pusher ice mode

[square]

Sabotaged by the computer safety feature.. go figure.

[codfish]

it was a habit of mine to land the pc-12 with the pusher-interrupt button depressed.

[Widow]

Here's the Fort Severn:

CADORS Number: 2008O2608 Reporting Region: Ontario

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Accident Occurrence Date: 2008/11/08
Occurrence Time: 2232 Z Day Or Night: day-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYER Aerodrome Name: Fort Severn
Occurrence Location: Fort Severn (CYER) Province: Ontario
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 101539-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAerodrome or runway shutdown
Hard landing
Landing gear
Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: PILATUS - SW Model: PC 12 45
Year Built: 1998 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: PRATT & WHITNEY-CAN Engine Model: PT6A-67B
Engine Type: Turbo prop Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Landing Damage: Substantial
Owner: WASAYA AIRWAYS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, BY ITS GENERAL PARTNER, WASAYA GENERAL PARTNER LIMITED Operator: WASAYA AIRWAYS LIMITED PARTNERSHIP, BY ITS GENERAL PARTNER, WASAYA GENERAL PARTNER LIMITED (11802)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail InformationUser Name: Boles, Will
Date: 2008/11/10
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: The Wasaya Airways Ltd. Pilatus PC-12/45 aircraft (operating as flight WSG532) was on an IFR flight from Sioux Lookout (CYXL) to Fort Severn (CYER). The airline advised that their PC12 had an accident on landing CYER in that nose wheel collapsed and aircraft was disabled on the runway. APM confirmed report and NOTAMed runway closed. CACO, TSB, RCC and NOC advised.

How did pelmet get the TSB # and write-up?

[Vortex_driver]

Yeah I tought the same... I checked yesterday and it wasn't there but today it is... he had the info before... that's kind of weird...
How did you do that pelmet?got contacts?!

[Widow]

The CADORs doesn't even list the TSB number. What pelment quoted wasn't from TC, but from the TSB. TSB's database is not available to the public ...

[polar one]

Apparently it is.

[Widow]

If it is, I'd like to know where!

[polar one]

AvCanada....think Pelmet.

I am only going by your post widow. It was your comment that the info posted here was not available to the public, which, logically speaking, made no sense as it was posted publically.

Instead of a witch hunt to find out how, maybe let things lie on this one. You might need that access sojmeday and if you "out" the source it will be gone.

[C-FABH]

Instead of a witch hunt to find out how, maybe let things lie on this one. You might need that access sojmeday and if you "out" the source it will be gone.

What he said ^

[New Flyer]

Pictures.....

http://tommymiles.myknet.org/

[Vortex_driver]

wow... and they say pilots break planes!!! I would say in this case the mechanics did a better job!!! now it's pretty bad!!! glad nobody got hurt...fly safe everyone

thanks for the pics!

[Sulako]

I followed the link that New Flyer posted, and it's really interesting.

Check out a post from the link:

"Just a little update on the plane that crash landed.Here's a section of the last email Timothy wrote.

"after the crew came in to fix the plane, they started it up and as
it was idling up all the landing gears collapsed back into the plane.
The prop hit the ground and was damaged bad. The motor also has to be
changed again. "

Still stuck down here this morning and they're hoping to get the plane back home off the run way today so they can fly up."


From the pictures he posted, it appears that there were 2 separate incidents.

First, the one where the nosegear snapped off, then a second one after they attempted to fix the plane, and had the landing gear retract while it was idling.

[AOW]

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[Pie Lot]

I hated that F*$#ing pusher ice mode. I know of two pilots that had it push it 200 ft on approach. I know it is in the checklist to ensure prop de-ice off, but sometimes shit gets forgotten or missed, and this can be a fatal one. I never used the prop de-ice, period. I know half of you think I am an idiot and will say so, but I found that 1 blade usually failed and you had an uneven vibration etc. all the time. So I just didn't bother putting it on. I found there was so much power in that plane you could out climb pretty well any ice without any assistance. If you were in for a few minutes, the prop collecting ice never degraded the performance to any noticeable level. Go ahead, flame away, but 4000 hours in that plane later, in all kinds of iceing situations, I am still here.