I'm with Complexintentions on this one and would like to comment on this:
I've been to Iran and UAE for vacation, and man they're both great countries ! Great people, lot's of fun ! For you who have been there, you know. For you who will respond to this by "saying that you've been there" but then making it look bad, well you obviously haven't been there.
Seems the terrorists that flew the airplanes in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia and I've been there...several times for weeks and weeks.
Trust me it is not a great place for a vacation....and for sure your wife/girlfriend would not like it there.
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But white people aren't as innocent as you make them seem either. And I haven't been lying about middle east, that's my opinion of it. Perhaps the people were shit cause you were maybe looking for a Macdonalds instead of trying to learn a new culture for week? What's next? Do you think there shouldn't be any pilots of a race other than white flying for Canadian Carriers too cause they impose a security risk? Cause if that's the case, I agree that CATSA should rip apart every pilot at the airport to make sure they don't bring 'dangerous goods' into the flight deck. I don't know what your experience was in the middle east but my opinion is that there are some great things in those countries people are disrespecting or forgetting. Put aside the politics for a sec. But that's my opinion.
It may be the typical thing that people from ME whine about such things. But why should every middle eastern take responsibility and be treated like shit because a few guys did extremist things ? Am i seeing the same patterns of Christ's death for other's sin happening just not on a cross, but at airport securities ? then again, I think you're wrong, and you think I am wrong so our debate really won't come to a solution.
Cat, you've been to Iran and Dubai recently cause I wasn't talking about Saudi?
If you believe that 9/11 was an inside job which I definitely do, you would understand that it was a group of White, English Speaking Americans who were involved in the plotting. They found some losers with no future who hate their own government in Afghanistan or Iraq, who are willing to die for the country's regime to change "like Jeff Dunham's Achmed says" and offer their families a fortune. In return they're asked to fly american based airplanes into buildings to create a case for oil redemption and for all brown people to be considered "dangerous" and thus require this whole extra way of being treated especially when dealing with border crossing and air travel.
You have obscured the issue and I only pointed out what really happened.
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Cat Driver wrote:I'm with Complexintentions on this one and would like to comment on this:
I've been to Iran and UAE for vacation, and man they're both great countries ! Great people, lot's of fun ! For you who have been there, you know. For you who will respond to this by "saying that you've been there" but then making it look bad, well you obviously haven't been there.
Seems the terrorists that flew the airplanes in 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia and I've been there...several times for weeks and weeks.
Trust me it is not a great place for a vacation....and for sure your wife/girlfriend would not like it there.
Cat, I was under the impression that you were making a comment about Saudi Arabia and not UAE/Iran... since you referenced Saudi with the quote with respect to Iran and UAE. Didn't know you were referencing another quote.
And Cat, no body really knows what happened, there are too many obscurities in this entire event that has lead to many different opinions !
I've not obscured anything, that was just my opinion.
I didn't think that it wasn't Saudi Arabians, I am just saying the entire event had American Involvement because it makes sense in my opinion.
- There were cameras from different angles broadcasted when it happened, coincidence? maybe.
- The USAF had been scheduled to perform an Air Excercise with respect to NORAD that day and apparently couldn't respond in time... as if they are able to do anything when a plane's going 300 kts towards a building
- 3000 israli workers didn't go to work (WTC) that day
These are just some of the points that was revealed soon after the event. The whole thing about there being bombs blowing up upon impact, not sure about that. But there was numerous activities going on that day which leads to a big "hmmm" of why all of those limitations were happening on September 11th during the specific hours that the planes hit the building.
., I am not saying you're wrong, you may very well be right, but there simply isn't enough proof to prove one of the both sides which is again part of the plan I believe. This way people like you and me will formulate two different answers on the event and not get to a conclusion.
On the side, you'd think that the United States could find Osama with their "high-tech" and top of the line equipment and people? I mean they sure as hell seem to find everything else. There's the conspiracy that Osama is also just a puppet master the US uses to prove that a threat exists. By doing this they scare people and make such a scenario out of it, where dumb asses at CATSA is what's required to calm people down. All of this nonsense for Oil.
Cat Driver wrote:E-Flyer, I respect your right to your beliefe's.
To be truthful I can't blame you for being distrustful of any government claims......
......and you have an excellent point about not being able to find Bin Laden, I also have my doubts about how hard they have looked.
The truth is we will never know the truth...remember the shooting of Jack Kennedy?
I hope the same incident doesn't happen to Obama... as I also think Jack Kennedy was a government plot. He was doing well from what I know but perhaps that went against what Washington wanted !
And Cat, the problem with never knowing the truth is that the same bull shit that has been present at airports for 7 years now will just continue, because people don't have enough proof to think otherwise. Therefore, the Iranian looking will always be worried about when he enters the gate area, and the white guy who may very well have some sort of armor on him is not even looked cause he's got a backpack and has ipod earphones stuck into his ears.
Interesting - I lived in Dubai for most of a decade, and loved it there, as mentioned before, great people, good times, lots to do and see. The only reason I wouldn't want to return would be because of the congestion they have over there now.
try YZV that will do anything to slow down boardings by full scanning 15 out of 20 paxs when the norm that apply is much lower than that. Having them back into for a 2nd search and screen, it gives way for a almost free" go through " for JAW's to catch up on their sched, and then they go below idle again, slowing down companies like Lab Air or PAL going on their own money, to make some profit or break even. All this sponsored with our taxes by the fed.gov. not long time ago remember how much of your money was injected to keep the BIG RED FLAG in order not to go banckrupt.
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My experience with the Middle East is ongoing. I live there. Do you? Dubai may be a nice place to vacation as long as you stay by the pool at the generic resort hotel or shop in one of the monstrosities they call a mall, if that's your thing then have at 'er. Like I said, just be careful what you do, wear, or say. You might be surprised to find what will get you jailed and deported. That's in Dubai. In Saudi the consequences will be a lot more severe.
As far as trying to find a Macdonalds, you can't throw a rock without hitting a Macdonalds, Pizza Hut, or Starbucks. The UAE has the second highest rate of Type 2 diabetes in the local population in the world as a result, and tremendous problems with obesity. The UAE also has the highest carbon footprint per capita in the world, higher even than the US. No doubt this all to blame on the US and the West, of course.
I never said that there should only be white pilots flying for Canadian carriers, that's just silly. I do understand why security services are a little more thorough profiling certain backgrounds - geographically, ethnically, or racially - because most of the recent terrorist attacks have originated from a fairly narrow demographic. In spite of what the tinfoil-hat crowd likes to spew.
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I understand that concept too complex, but what they are doing right now is based on facts that have never really been proved.
For Example, where did you hear that the terrorists were from Saudi Arabia? Probably the media. But then the media confused the point that it was either a small plane, military plane, commercial plane, or a bomb that blew up resulting in the buildings downfall. Right off the bat you can determine that their information is unreliable and that one should not base their judgments and "regulations" on them.
Of Course, the government will do what ever it can do pursue its goals; if that means following the media's influence to aid them in the movement they want, they'll do it. Which in this case has resulted to the current situation we have.
Another Example, there's a "Special Investigation" when crossing the border at the united states that people with interesting backgrounds go to. The CBP sends anybody there and doesn't mind delaying them if there's the smallest thing that could be asked about and solved at one of those booths. Basically, they don't even look into the regulations that they are responsible of knowing and just squirt people here and there because they're too lazy and are proud to serve their fat asses in CBP uniform for their country.
They send all middle eastern people, but also to some extent, white canadians into this "SI" as well. But what I have recently discovered after reading through their regs is that there are special parameters that cause this SI to happen, and many of you white folks, as well as "racially dangerous" folks who are just randomly sent into this SI have a right to deny such a move and obtain your visa at the CBP booth. I addressed this to the CBP Headquarters, and they were thankful, especially when I provided the names of the people I've dealt with in the past that have abused this regulation by just randomly wasting people's times !
what about the people who walk through the metal detectors with their watch, belt, wallet, coins, steel head plate, all still on their person. Like, come on! put your metal shit in the basket and save the rest of us the punishment for your ignorance! The past 10x through security I have just walked through no looking back but at least half the people get the wand. It's un-freaking-believable!
E-Flyer wrote:
- The USAF had been scheduled to perform an Air Excercise with respect to NORAD that day and apparently couldn't respond in time... as if they are able to do anything when a plane's going 300 kts towards a building
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You know, an airplane with CATM (Combat Air Training Missiles basically, a missile that stays on the launcher) doesn't do much against an airplane. You need ARMED airplanes.
Like it or not, when you intercept something there is always a possibility that you'll have to shoot it down. That's why every scrambled aircraft is equipped with live missiles. Do you seriously think that if an F-16 incercepted the Airliners in time the terrorists would have just turned away and land? The only way an interceptor could have saved the lives of people in the towers would have been shooting the airplanes down.
Trust me it is not a great place for a vacation....and for sure your wife/girlfriend would not like it there.
Not necessarily, I lived in Saudi for 5 years and had a great time. My mom and my sister loved it, and they lived there even longer. Nothing better than an authentic Saudi shawarma!!! (and yes that's a Saudia Tristar in my pic )
I think 9/11 can best be summed up by watching Canadian Bacon. If the US doesn't have an enemy, they will make one.
Long live the South Terminal, where I can carry a whole tube of toothpaste in my backpack and walk from the plane to outside the terminal in 30 seconds. Or less than 5 minutes if I checked a bag.
So the last time I headed north out of YOW I got picked off at screening.
I had forgotten a couple of 1/4" drive sockets in my pocket. I think they were 1/2 and 9/16". Not a sharp edge to be found on them, in fact they were flank drive so specifically there are no sharp edges. Anyways, I get pulled aside and told I can't go thru with them because they're tools. I questioned politely the rationale behind this as they only weigh a 1/4 oz and have no sharp edges. She calls the supervisor over..."nope...tools...cant take tools thru security". So I have to trudge back upstairs and check 1 bag which I wasn't happy about just so I can make sure I get to keep my sockets.
A$$holes!!! GIVE ME A FU**ING BREAK!!!!! USE A LITTLE BIT OF FU**ING COMMON SENSE!!!!
There....just thought I'd tell you how I feel.
Cheers,
ETTW
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