Will Enerjet fly?

[YOWTXR]

Suncor is a great client to be flying for. Nevertheless, I'm still confused with the whole EnerJet business model. From what I've read on their website it appears they will be operating charters to southern destinations from smaller communities, but now I hear they will be flying for Suncor. How many aircraft do these guys have? A Nov 30th start with 1 aircraft is definately a difficult task.

We shall see I guess-

I certainly hope they flourish within their "niche" market, but it's looking more like Roots airline.

[gulfan]

Suncor is a great client to be flying for. Nevertheless, I'm still confused with the whole EnerJet business model. From what I've read on their website it appears they will be operating charters to southern destinations from smaller communities, but now I hear they will be flying for Suncor. How many aircraft do these guys have? A Nov 30th start with 1 aircraft is definately a difficult task.

We shall see I guess-

I certainly hope they flourish within their "niche" market, but it's looking more like Roots airline.

Enerjet actually has two 737-7BD right now - C-GBEJ and C-GOEJ both from AirTran. The vactions / tours segment of the business isn't starting for a while, as per news articles. It will initially be a charter airline. From what I've read, they are anticipating a Jan 2009 start.

[Troubleshot]

Suncor is a great client to be flying for. Nevertheless, I'm still confused with the whole EnerJet business model. From what I've read on their website it appears they will be operating charters to southern destinations from smaller communities, but now I hear they will be flying for Suncor. How many aircraft do these guys have? A Nov 30th start with 1 aircraft is definately a difficult task.

We shall see I guess-

I certainly hope they flourish within their "niche" market, but it's looking more like Roots airline.

Enerjet actually has two 737-7BD right now - C-GBEJ and C-GOEJ both from AirTran. The vactions / tours segment of the business isn't starting for a while, as per news articles. It will initially be a charter airline. From what I've read, they are anticipating a Jan 2009 start.

Actually, Pending CTA approval EnerJet will make its first revenue flight Nov 30th. They will be using GOEJ for the first month of operation GBEJ is registered but not ready to fly yet.

[mattedfred]

NEWS RELEASE
FRIDAY, NOVEMBER 28TH, 2008
ENERJET ACHIEVES REGULATORY APPROVALS

CALGARY, AB - Enerjet (formerly NewAir & Tours) is pleased to announce the achievement of two significant milestones. First, the award of an Air Operators Certificate (AOC) by Transport Canada, acknowledging Enerjet's completion of all the technical and safety requirements necessary to operate a commercial air operation in Canada. Secondly, the award of an Air Operators License issued by the Canadian Transportation Agency. The license authenticates that Enerjet has met the rigorous ownership requirements which assure Canadians of a financially sound air travel provider. The achievement of these milestones means that Enerjet is now open for business to charter its Boeing 737-700 Next-Generation aircraft.

According to Enerjet President and CEO Tim Morgan, the application process went smoothly. "We were impressed with the effectiveness and efficiency with which Transport Canada and the Canadian Transportation Agency handled our application, and with the superior work of our own expert staff. The outcomes of this work set a high standard for enabling a safe, reliable carrier in a reasonable time frame."
About Enerjet

Enerjet is a privately held Canadian Corporation based in Calgary, Alberta. We are an equal opportunity employer and adhere to Canada’s labor code and standards. We fly Boeing 737-700 Next-Generation aircraft. For information regarding employment opportunities, charters or further background information, please visit our website at www.enerjet.ca or contact:

Bill Lamberton, VP Marketing & sales, Enerjet, email bill.lamberton@enerjet.ca or call 403-648-2800

Enerjet

[rightseatwonder]

I agree a startup would need experienced guys out of the gate. So I can understand the CP, Ops man, top guys etc, requiring the previous NG time. For the ordinary line guys, why not just put out 8000TT 3000jet or previous NG time required? This whole PPC nonsense needs to go the way of the dodo, TC doesn't even want to oversee it anyway!

The westjet comment was regarding the jazz hiring pipeline, and yes I realize not everyone came from jazz.

I didn't realize all those Jazz pilots were going to Westjet with 737 Type ratings!

[tonysoprano]

I wonder if Enerjet is trying to attract mostly WJ pilots by requiring the type rating. They are also based out west. How convenient. They would also fit the mould given the guy that's running it. He just wants a repeat performance, ie. WJ all over again. Some niche.

[Donald]

Rightseatwonder: Westjet hiring Jazzer's hurts Jazz/ACE. Enerjet hiring Westjetter's, has the potential to cost WJ in terms of training newhires. At this stage of hiring, the cost would be minimal, but it could be to make a point. Similarly, if they hire all Canjet NG pilots, then it will hurt Canjet. Although I believe the CJ folks are bonded.

Understand now?

[Galaxy]

I Know Enerjet will thrive and I'm glad WJ is going to take it in the cornhole, at least on the charther side of things. F.U. WJ for your cheap sinicle hiring practices....Shame on you for doing what you do. Go Tim go!

[True North]

Evidently Galaxy blew the WJ interview.

Yeah, Tim's two airplanes are going to put the BIG hurt on WJ.

[Galaxy]

No, I did not blow the WJ interview as I've never had one or will ever want one. Couldn't settle for 2+ years of shitty pay. I'm quite happy where I am now and did not have to drink any cool-aid to get here.

As for the two airplanes hurting WJ.....hmmmm.....let me think here........millions of dollars going to Enerjet and not WJ. I'm no genius but, that will make a difference. It's just the start of things to come too.

[True North]

I'm no genius but,

Stating the painfully obvious.

Since you didn't get an interview then how would you know about their "cheap sinicle(sic) hiring practices"?

BTW, I couldn't find "sinicle" in the dictionary. I assume you meant cynical, not that it makes any more sense.

[Tiny Voices]

Judging by the quality and character of the people i've flown with out on line, and knowing many of our hiring committee personally, one of whom posts here using his own name, i'd say WJ's hiring practice is rather sound. Also, been around a few years now and have yet to be offered one damn cup of this Kool-aid you non WJ types keep eluding to, and i loves me some Kool-aid, OH YA!!

[cat3]

True North said:

"Yeah, Tim's two airplanes are going to put the BIG hurt on WJ. "

I believe quite a few pilots were saying the same thing (about AC) in Canada when WJ began with a of couple of worn out -200's and a few pussed-out pilots willing to do the work for a lot less than industry average. NOw they got a fleet of NG's and those pussies are millionaires. Still don't have the balls, leadership and common sense to stand up and demand newly upgraded Captains get paid their due years of service, thus once again aiding in lowering the collective bar, but millionaires nonetheless.

[True North]

cat3, you are correct. When WJ started a lot of people figured they would never make it and for the record, I'm not saying Enerjet isn't going to be around for a while. If it's true, and I believe it is, that they have a 3 year deal with Suncor then they will likely be around at least that long. What I question is expansion into the charter market and as Galaxy so succinctly put it "WJ is going to take it in the cornhole". At WestJet's launch in 1996 the economy was sound, oil was $20 a barrel, used 737s were going for a couple of million, or less, and as you pointed out a 737 captain could be had for $60,000/year. Then let's look at the competition, Canadian was already teetering on the brink and even with the competition on the ropes Air Canada still couldn't make any money. WestJet's low fares stimulated a whole new market and they made scads of money while the competition continued to bleed and could do nothing about it.

Now let's look at the current situation. The economy is in the toilet, Tim sure didn't get his NGs for a couple of million and he's paying the going rate for pilots. The pilots he hired from WJ even got to bring their vacation entitlement with them so he has no advantage so far. We all know where oil is now and unless Suncor is getting him fuel for cheap there's no advantage there either. And finally the competition, WJ is very healthy and could weather any kind of price war Enerjet wants to start, not to mention Transat, Sky Service, Sunwing who all seem to be doing fine. Even Air Canada seemed to be doing okay up until the last quarter. So where is the expansion going to be? I doubt very much any of the players will just standby and watch if Enerjet starts to expand.

Tim is very sharp guy and has hired a first rate team and they might pull it off. Personally I'm not betting on it but hey, that's just my opinion.

[tonysoprano]

Pilots going to Ejet should be aware that they will not become millionaires the way things worked at WJ. At the time WJ came into the industry, Canadi>n was winding down. When Canadi>n finally vanished, WJetters of the day became millionaires soon there after. Right place, right time, nothing more. Pure Fk'n LUCK. Lottery style. It won't happen again. The industry as is will not make any pilots rich any time soon. All I hope is that the guys going to Ejet uphold the code of ethics for pilots in this industry. That is, get respect and get payed what you are worth. Good luck, be safe.

[bob sacamano]

Heard them tonight by YYZ going to Moncton. Glanford aviation is who they were calling out on company frequency, so I'm guessing they were in YHM.

p.s.

Pilots going to Ejet should be aware that they will not become millionaires the way things worked at WJ. At the time WJ came into the industry, Canadi>n was winding down. When Canadi>n finally vanished, WJetters of the day became millionaires soon there after. Right place, right time, nothing more. Pure Fk'n LUCK. Lottery style. It won't happen again. The industry as is will not make any pilots rich any time soon. All I hope is that the guys going to Ejet uphold the code of ethics for pilots in this industry. That is, get respect and get payed what you are worth. Good luck, be safe.

Tony,

Is the first year F/O at Air Canada getting paid what he/she is worth?

[tonysoprano]

Is the first year F/O at Air Canada getting paid what he/she is worth?

No. But there's a contract in place that's second to none. Have you seen it?

[True North]

I believe quite a few pilots were saying the same thing (about AC) in Canada when WJ began with a of couple of worn out -200's and a few pussed-out pilots willing to do the work for a lot less than industry average. NOw they got a fleet of NG's and those pussies are millionaires. Still don't have the balls, leadership and common sense to stand up and demand newly upgraded Captains get paid their due years of service, thus once again aiding in lowering the collective bar, but millionaires nonetheless.

Hey cat3, just rereading your post. You seem to have an issue with the senior pilots at WJ. Pussies?? What's up, somebody spank you or is it just your sense of entitlement?

[bob sacamano]

Is the first year F/O at Air Canada getting paid what he/she is worth?

No.

That's all I was looking for. Thanks.

[bizjet]

well said Mr. Sacamano

[tonysoprano]

Guys, no need to rehash the starting salary issue. We've discussed it at nauseum on this forum. All I tried to say was Ejet guys have an oppurtunity to make their new job a great career. Getting payed what they are worth means being able to compare their salaries and benefits to another similar operation(s) and seeing close similarities. To do all they can to avoid another Jetsgo operation. But you guys immediately jump on the AC bashing. If you're not able to look beyond the starting salary, you will be a very frustrated pilot in this part of the world. Look a few years down the line and if you can't see yourself making a descent living with good benefits, pension and flying descent equipment, don't sign up. Ejet guys will have to consider all this with their new employer.

[commuter]

Heard Enerjet last night on Boston center heading east. Not sure of the destination though.
I think Transat and Sky are the only starting salaries that are maybe where they should. The rest of them suck !!

[tonysoprano]

I think Transat and Sky are the only starting salaries that are maybe where they should. The rest of them suck !!

That's right. And the only reason those salaries are descent is because of the going rates for the size of equipment you start on.

[bob sacamano]

Guys, no need to rehash the starting salary issue. We've discussed it at nauseum on this forum. All I tried to say was Ejet guys have an oppurtunity to make their new job a great career. Getting payed what they are worth means being able to compare their salaries and benefits to another similar operation(s) and seeing close similarities. To do all they can to avoid another Jetsgo operation. But you guys immediately jump on the AC bashing. If you're not able to look beyond the starting salary, you will be a very frustrated pilot in this part of the world. Look a few years down the line and if you can't see yourself making a descent living with good benefits, pension and flying descent equipment, don't sign up. Ejet guys will have to consider all this with their new employer.

Tony,

I don't believe that I bashed AC. I simply held you to what you were saying. At AC, down the line, one can obviously have a
comfortable living (if that is what said person wants), there's no doubt about that.

By the way, what's the starting pay for f/o and captains at Enerjet?

[whiteguy]

True North said:

"Yeah, Tim's two airplanes are going to put the BIG hurt on WJ. "

I believe quite a few pilots were saying the same thing (about AC) in Canada when WJ began with a of couple of worn out -200's and a few pussed-out pilots willing to do the work for a lot less than industry average. NOw they got a fleet of NG's and those pussies are millionaires. Still don't have the balls, leadership and common sense to stand up and demand newly upgraded Captains get paid their due years of service, thus once again aiding in lowering the collective bar, but millionaires nonetheless.

Don't see how a few pilots were saying the same thing since AC wasn't WS primary competition. It was CPs market that WS was going after. Guess no one remembers AC flying WS "Guests" around when they shut themselves down before TC did!