Buffalo airway Need some Advice..thanks

[rolowang]

Got a call from buffalo airway, and trying to get as much information for the company, please give me some advice.
thanks.

[yzfer]

Don't really have any first hand info, but i've watching the fleet land and take off makes me think i've found some gap in the space time continum. if you want to fly old radials, that is definitely the place to be. if i were offered a job there, I don't think i could bring myself to say no.

[grey_cap]

Only one guy on the ramp right now so youll have a pretty short wait until you get checked out.

[yzfer]

if only i were licensed...

[Hooked]

RUN!!! Run fast and hard, joe is crazy and you will bust your ars for peanuts get yelled at and generally treated like crap. Ask yourself Why do they only have one rampy to deal with all those planes. It will come to you!!! The ops manager gives the phrase mentally retarded a whole new meaning. If they screw up your pay you have to chase after them like hell to get it. When it comes to your benefits you have to go search out people do all the paperwork for them, and then stay after them for months to go F***ing mail it. The pilots there are good guys, the management is a pack of retarded monkeys headed up by the biggest retarded monkey of them all. He tries to make up for have a small dick by yelling cussing and threatening alot. "I'll buy you a f***ing bus ticket." Famous line ask anyone who has ever worked for him. Really anyone else will tell you that having a type rating on a muesem piece will not get you laid, hired somewhere else. Cool yes good for your ego yes. But cool and ego don't fill the piggy bank.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

the management is a pack of retarded monkeys headed up by the biggest retarded monkey of them all.

Yeh Joe is a real retard, that is how he got to own a business the size of Buffalo Airways.

He tries to make up for have a small dick by yelling cussing and threatening

I have known Joe for over thirty years and never got to see his dick nor did it ever occur to me to want to, how did you get to see it?

. Really anyone else will tell you that having a type rating on a muesem piece will not get you laid, hired somewhere else.

Museum piece? Like a DC3?

Well it is a lot better to have DC3 experience then Cessna 172 time.

[Hooked]

Well hot rod. One of the female employees commented on the size of his dick, cause he showed it to her I guess he thought he'd get a sympathy bone or something. His wife is the reason he has a business the size of Buffalo, not Joe. As far as the experience goes I have both, DC-3 and 172 and few on the 4 and the 46. Great machines flown by excellent pilots. I will carry the experience with me forever. Truth be told I actually like Joe he is a good shit, but no fore thought whatsoever. No planning to anything there just react when something happens. i.e. One rampy at the beginning of December in YK. So . did you ever WORK for Joe, or are you speaking from your ars???

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Hooked I read all your posts to sort of get a feel for your background because I don't quite understand why you would start off with this.

Well hot rod.

For someone with 900 hours of which 650 is as an instructor with a class 3 you sure have quite an attitude.

Do you have type ratings on the DC3 or the DC4 or the C46?

So . did you ever WORK for Joe, or are you speaking from your ars???

Yes I have and I don't talk out of my ars. for your information.

[Bushav8er]

LOL 'Chucky's Back!'

For someone with 900 hours of which 650 is as an instructor with a class 3 you sure have quite an attitude.

Hooked is cooked

[Just another canuck]

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[Chuck Ellsworth]

Joe used to pay his captains real good money, so I imagine he still does.

[Eric Janson]

Really anyone else will tell you that having a type rating on a muesem piece will not get you... hired somewhere else. Cool yes good for your ego yes. But cool and ego don't fill the piggy bank.

Sorry Hooked but my DC-3 experience was the primary reason for me getting my first "jet job" (outside of Canada). Things I learned flying the DC-3 have kept me out of trouble over the years. I'm proud to have DC-3 time in my logbook. I've never flown a turbo-prop - just piston and jet.

Just for your info - worked for Joe for 7 years. Started on the ramp and left as DC-3 Captain. I even have a two page letter of reference from him.

I believe rolowang was asking a question:-

rolowang - If it's your first job - take it. Always easier to find another job if you are already employed. Good luck!

[Chuck Ellsworth]

I guess Joe never showed you his dick if your name is Eric?

[PistonPounder2800]

I can't believe how off topic the responses got to rolowang's question. Also Hooker, you have to be the most immature pilot out there I hope I never have to share the sky with you. You should come up to Yellowknife rolowang work for Buffalo for a couple of weeks meet the guys and make a decision for yourself. If you can't stand it then you can always try to get a job at Tindi, Sunwest, or Summit. Also we only have one guy on the ramp at Buffalo and there will be upgrades for certain people so if you sitck it out then you'll be flying something big and loud in six months to a year. Whatever decision you make good luck.

[blueoval56]

Never worked there, but I know quite a few guys that have. Some ran away with there tail between there legs as rampies while some really enjoyed there time there. One of the best guys I've flown with is in charge of the 215's there.

I think it simpler to say if you're a city boy with a city attitude, scared of hard work and don't like getting yelled at, do not go to Buffalo. It may actually ruin you. However, if you wanna fly some cool, old machines with a bunch of good dudes and you think you can fit in (very important), then give it a try. Furthermore, if you are scared of hard work, go to Tindi... from what I hear, you pretty much have to be handi-capped to not make it through that place.

Also, with regards to pay at Buffalo... rampies don't get that much, but I've been told their captains make a fortune. Ramping is supposed to suck to a degree.

The guy who was in charge of the 215's is now moved on. Heard he was a great guy as well, but never had much of a chance to meet him. And it's not the hard work, or getting yelled at that makes people want to quit buffalo. You'll find that at any job. You really have to work there to realize why some people hate anything and everything green with all 206 bones in their body. And as for "ramping is supposed to suck to a degree", I realize that the whole purpose is to test you and to find out what you're really made of, but is a 7 on, 7 on schedule(no, thats not a typo) really worth it for 2000 a month? Sorry, I forgot, you start making more once you become a flight attendant. And you will.

[FLYaJET]

[quote="blueoval56] but is a 7 on, 7 on schedule(no, thats not a typo) really worth it for 2000 a month? Sorry, I forgot, you start making more once you become a flight attendant. And you will.[/quote]

Do the math on that schedule! There is a difference between putting your time in on the ramp and getting raped up the ass. For the sake of himself and the industry ...I hope the other ramp guy quits and then they are left with no one. Maybe they will have to raise the pay a bit then.

[TheBearCavalry]

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[Edo]

The supply of ramp rats will increase, just wait for the TV show to come out there will probably be a parade banging on the door.

[302sc]

rolowang....

if you are still looking at this forum here is what you can expect from the big green ,and you can take it from a fellow captain working there

so to be concise and brief you will work very hard in difficult environment most of the time , specially at this time of the year , do not expect a pat on the back as you will not be neither the first or last guy in this situation but aviation as it is, particularly in this downturn of economic time I would say if offered the job and your hunger to get into a cockpit is insatiable take the job see if you can take all the difficult hours, after a while you can always walk away if it is not your cup of tea. there are plus and minus as you have seen above . take it with a grain of salt everybody uses this forum to express THEIR feelings more than just passing info I went into it myself fully aware of the perceived reputation of this company but the pilots and rampies are generally a good bunch and I am still working there.

[ScudRunner]

Cat Driver Vs Hooked

lol I enjoyed that watching that match.

[Just another canuck]

just wait for the TV show to come out there will probably be a parade banging on the door.

Is something actually going to air?? I remember hearing about the filming going on awhile ago now.

[Double Wasp]

When I started on the ramp there the going joke was none of the other rampies in town would never mess with the Buffalo guys at the bar because they had so much rage and frustration bottled up they could kill someone. We did work hard but we also played hard. The working conditions are tough, definatly not 9-5, but the group of guys you work with is really close and will help one another out.
Buffalo really helped me, I learned so many things there as a copilot that saved my life countless times later on and I didn't have to learn them on my own scaring the crap out of myself on the way I had someone with thousands of hours sitting beside me to show me how to do things properly. As far as pay is concerned it is a little on the low side to start but once you start flying it definately gets better. The paycheck is always on time.
If I had to do it all over again I would still go back to Buffalo.
DW

[jayceehi]

Eric:

where you at?

John C

jaycee@mac.com

[oneboldbaldy]

Porky, a.k.a. O.J. Wieben of Superior Airways hired me as potential Beech 18 driver in 1978. (The old big yellow carrot treatment!) When I got to "Wiebenville" I was made the airport manager, read swamper. There were no rampies, only the last three hulks of previously immaculate DC-3's parked in the weeds since the 50's and 60's when Porky made his first million during the Dew-Line construction with 21 Dakotas and one DC-4.

Over the next six weeks I learned more about float flying, having fun and making money with one old Beech 18.

All that for $ 4.-/hr!!! 15 000 of round engine driving later, I think back at those times fondly and above all, there are many times when I am very grateful to be able to recall certain safety pointers that Porky burned into my memory bank at that time.

AND whether you believe it or not, money is NOT that important! I had no expenses at work. Hell, I even kept my woman and the bank happy by paying the mortgage on a Vancouver house!

[Doc Driver]

What kind of ballpark salary range are we talking for captains?