Yes folks, while I realize this rumour has been circulating around here for a while, I honestly believe it to be straight up this time around. With the new expansion to Fort Nelson and increased service to YXJ and YXS, I think you could see two on property at CMA within the next 6 months. They've completed just about all the requirements needed for their 705 certification, and they're certainly not going to sit back and let someone like HawkAir or Avmax/Penta/Corpac scoop YYE with a Dash-8 or a Saab. A route like that needs something with more than 18 seats for yield issues as well as cargo....
just my thoughts...
CMA to get Dornier 328's
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no i don't think it is a 328 course....... its a pratt course.......... i love rumors...... i hope they get 328's though.......i would be awesome........ 9M guy let me guess you work for CMA and are hoping for there arrivial?
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Yeah I do work for CMA, and am hoping for their arrival. Our IT guy spoke with our maintenance chief in YYC on Friday last about setting up space for a 328 training computer system in the hangar for the engineers. I really do think this might actually happen. Also the DFO was on the phone 2 weeks ago to Shell in YYC (who has a 328) looking for maintenance tech docs... here's hoping...
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oh but wait MAYBE the DOM is in town ....... hhhhmmmmm... ...... just maybe he is down looking at the ones at Avmax. Always 9M guy i can see CMA get more 1900D's but 328's...... come on thats not CMA's style, expansion like that.
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BUSH OPERATOR!!??? 
NOT!! Only certain pilots on charter runs maybe. Otherwise, its concrete to concrete. And if you know anything about the 1900, you would find that to purchase AND operate a Dornier is cheaper than a 1900d due to its aquisition and speed of the aircraft. CMA got out of the bush about 10years ago. NTAir does the bush thing.
NOT!! Only certain pilots on charter runs maybe. Otherwise, its concrete to concrete. And if you know anything about the 1900, you would find that to purchase AND operate a Dornier is cheaper than a 1900d due to its aquisition and speed of the aircraft. CMA got out of the bush about 10years ago. NTAir does the bush thing.
the fact they are trying to run a regional airline with 14 a/c out of smithers bc when moving ops to vancouver or calgary would save so much money on shipping, travel, long distance calls, the fact you can talk to your distributors face to face......... etc.
their slowly getting rid of the pilots uniform for the typical charter pilot uniform....... no more hats, blazers are getting replaced with 3-in-1 coats.
planes are regularly u/s in YYC and YVR due to lack of parts.
charters are regularly cancelled due to booking them when there is no a/c to do them or an a/c is u/s.
I know these problems happen regularly at all levels of other operation, but CMA has a h@ll of an opporunity in western canada and they need to sieze it and become a wicked regional operater....... hopefully with larger a/c
their slowly getting rid of the pilots uniform for the typical charter pilot uniform....... no more hats, blazers are getting replaced with 3-in-1 coats.
planes are regularly u/s in YYC and YVR due to lack of parts.
charters are regularly cancelled due to booking them when there is no a/c to do them or an a/c is u/s.
I know these problems happen regularly at all levels of other operation, but CMA has a h@ll of an opporunity in western canada and they need to sieze it and become a wicked regional operater....... hopefully with larger a/c
Well propwash, ignorance is a scary thing (that and poor spelling make for interesting reading). You obviously either have a bone to pick with CMA or know someone who does. But, I'll humour you a bit and try to respond to your inaccurate statements:
1. We don't run a regional airline out of Smithers. Our head office, dispatch/accounting and a small maintenance base is there. Out of 14 aircraft in the system, on a given night maybe 2 are in Smithers. The rest are scattered throughout BC and AB (i.e. YVR, YQQ, YLW, YXC, YQL, YEG, YXH). YYC is where the majority of our aircraft overnight and where most of the heavy maintenance is done. In addition we maintain a large parts inventory in YYC and a small one in YVR, so the shipping argument doesn't really hold water either. You're right that it would save $$ on long distance etc. moving the office to YVR and YYC, but that's where the owners want to live.
2. We're not getting rid of our pilot uniform, contrary to your statement. The company's decided that for cost reasons we're not going to buy any more hats and that new employees will be outfitted with ones in existing stock. As for the 2-piece suit (blazer and pants) nothing's changed there. We've decided that the heavy wool full-length topcoat wasn't practical, so we've switched to a 3-in-1 Stormtech, so I guess you got one right.
3. Planes are no more u/s with us than anywhere else, and if you are honestly suggesting otherwise, you shouldn't be allowed out in public unsupervised. I mean come on, A/C are bound to break down, and we carry as much parts on hand as is necessary, no more and no less. After 10 years of operating 1900 D's, CMA knows what sort of parts are necessary for inventory.
4. Charters are not cancelled due to lack of A/C, in fact we are often given sub-charters from companies like Sun West, North Cariboo and Dynamic due to their lack of capacity. Get your story straight.
You’re right we do have a hell of an opportunity to seize in Western Canada and we are doing that, and have been for the last 7 years. We've progressed in leaps and bounds with recurrent sim training for all pilots (Captains and F/O's) at FlightSafety, with an excellent level of flight ops safety, very thorough and adhered to SOP's, and an excellent safety culture. Oh and the preferential bidding system, RRSP contribution plan, extended health and dental, Air Canada travel privileges, good per diems, and a fun, reliable plane to fly don't hurt either.
I'm not saying we're the best show out there, but we've got a lot going for us so don't go beaking off when clearly you don't know what your talking about!!
1. We don't run a regional airline out of Smithers. Our head office, dispatch/accounting and a small maintenance base is there. Out of 14 aircraft in the system, on a given night maybe 2 are in Smithers. The rest are scattered throughout BC and AB (i.e. YVR, YQQ, YLW, YXC, YQL, YEG, YXH). YYC is where the majority of our aircraft overnight and where most of the heavy maintenance is done. In addition we maintain a large parts inventory in YYC and a small one in YVR, so the shipping argument doesn't really hold water either. You're right that it would save $$ on long distance etc. moving the office to YVR and YYC, but that's where the owners want to live.
2. We're not getting rid of our pilot uniform, contrary to your statement. The company's decided that for cost reasons we're not going to buy any more hats and that new employees will be outfitted with ones in existing stock. As for the 2-piece suit (blazer and pants) nothing's changed there. We've decided that the heavy wool full-length topcoat wasn't practical, so we've switched to a 3-in-1 Stormtech, so I guess you got one right.
3. Planes are no more u/s with us than anywhere else, and if you are honestly suggesting otherwise, you shouldn't be allowed out in public unsupervised. I mean come on, A/C are bound to break down, and we carry as much parts on hand as is necessary, no more and no less. After 10 years of operating 1900 D's, CMA knows what sort of parts are necessary for inventory.
4. Charters are not cancelled due to lack of A/C, in fact we are often given sub-charters from companies like Sun West, North Cariboo and Dynamic due to their lack of capacity. Get your story straight.
You’re right we do have a hell of an opportunity to seize in Western Canada and we are doing that, and have been for the last 7 years. We've progressed in leaps and bounds with recurrent sim training for all pilots (Captains and F/O's) at FlightSafety, with an excellent level of flight ops safety, very thorough and adhered to SOP's, and an excellent safety culture. Oh and the preferential bidding system, RRSP contribution plan, extended health and dental, Air Canada travel privileges, good per diems, and a fun, reliable plane to fly don't hurt either.
I'm not saying we're the best show out there, but we've got a lot going for us so don't go beaking off when clearly you don't know what your talking about!!
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For starters, CMA (in my opinion) is just like Alberta City Link, they had a good thing going with Air Canada, Air Canada dumped them like yesterday's new's, but rather than roll over and die, they have everything in place, Aircraft, crew's, route's and clientele.
They chose to continue flying on their own reputation and safety record, and I think you will see great thing's from CMA in the future.
Good luck to all at CMA, the better we (the Commuter Operators) do, the bigger say we will have with respect to issue's like closing down airports, cramming all the smaller guy's into A1 at the terminal, and so on.
CP
They chose to continue flying on their own reputation and safety record, and I think you will see great thing's from CMA in the future.
Good luck to all at CMA, the better we (the Commuter Operators) do, the bigger say we will have with respect to issue's like closing down airports, cramming all the smaller guy's into A1 at the terminal, and so on.
CP
wow 9M you know your stuff and you sound proud of CMA (and you should be) no i don't have a bone to pick, i think CMA is a great company but....... they have their problems ..... and yes 9M guy other airlines do have problems too.
1.-have your headoffice in a remote hunting town in the BC when all your a/c of night else where is what i would call not very bright, so what if the owners live there, if they want to seize the opporunity they should more. If the majority of the heavy maintenance is done YYC wouldn't it make sence to have the DOM, QA's, tech records, purchasing and the main stores in YYC???????? Actually the major stores is in YYD, yes YYC does have a large stores, they do lack quite a few important parts (just a an engineer there if you don't believe me) YYD also has the main stores person and purchasing person. Shipping doesn't really hold water hahaha, purchasing and recieving is in YYD, so parts get send from manufacture to YYD then they recieve them and ship them out from there. All avionics is repaired and mainly kept in YVR so when one is needed it is sent AOG to YYC, as you can guess this is not cheap (if you don't beleive that ask the stores guy in YYC)
2- As you said it, I was right there
the is a wicked opporuntiy in western canada, and don't get be wrong i truely believe CMA will indeed seize it. No they really haven't been doing it for 7 years for about 5 of that they rid of AC coat tails. But ever since AC made them "codeshare" they have done well for themselfs.
Chiefpilots right; They chose to continue flying on their own reputation and safety record, and I think you will see great thing's from CMA in the future.
heres to CMA and their 328's in the future.
ps- i think i know what i'm talking about and i'm not really "breaking off"
1.-have your headoffice in a remote hunting town in the BC when all your a/c of night else where is what i would call not very bright, so what if the owners live there, if they want to seize the opporunity they should more. If the majority of the heavy maintenance is done YYC wouldn't it make sence to have the DOM, QA's, tech records, purchasing and the main stores in YYC???????? Actually the major stores is in YYD, yes YYC does have a large stores, they do lack quite a few important parts (just a an engineer there if you don't believe me) YYD also has the main stores person and purchasing person. Shipping doesn't really hold water hahaha, purchasing and recieving is in YYD, so parts get send from manufacture to YYD then they recieve them and ship them out from there. All avionics is repaired and mainly kept in YVR so when one is needed it is sent AOG to YYC, as you can guess this is not cheap (if you don't beleive that ask the stores guy in YYC)
2- As you said it, I was right there
the is a wicked opporuntiy in western canada, and don't get be wrong i truely believe CMA will indeed seize it. No they really haven't been doing it for 7 years for about 5 of that they rid of AC coat tails. But ever since AC made them "codeshare" they have done well for themselfs.
Chiefpilots right; They chose to continue flying on their own reputation and safety record, and I think you will see great thing's from CMA in the future.
heres to CMA and their 328's in the future.
ps- i think i know what i'm talking about and i'm not really "breaking off"
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9M guy i to do not want to step on anyones toes, i just want to set the record straight..... you must first consider who i am..... perhaps i know of someone in yvr....... hhhhmmmmm..... its funny to sit here and see you talk about CMA and talk it up, you make a mountain out of a mole hill.
lets see where shall we start;
1- no parts are not shipped directly to each base. If it is a AOG part, yes, but if it is part where none are in stock or stock is low, it is first shipped to YYD where it is received and then out to YYC or YVR days later and dollars later. there have been times when a/c are down do to parts still waiting to be recieved YYD
2- the shipping discount on jazz and AC does not apply now that you are only codeshare. yes there was a awesome discount before but not anymore.
3- haha no mail is not handled internal, almost everything gets shipped on AC. There are many boxes shipped out daily.
4- not only are charters cancelled or over books them, with the hope of doing them inbetween sched runs. This is how CityLink got in trouble with AC. There have been times when Scheds are late because the charter that was operating inbetween was late ..... not good in AC eyes.
5- CMA couldn't seize the opportunity 5 years ago because they were locked in by AC and couldn't branch out by themselves. Sure its awesome money, but the opportunity wasn't seize. Hawkair did though. It hasn't been till the last 2 years CMA has had the chance to branch by themselfs and not worry that AC will get mad at them at cancel the contract.
now before everyone starts thinking i hate CMA or have a bone to pick with them, i don't ......i love them. sure they have their problems but ever one does, the one i work for does. This is more of a discussion on CMA and how they can improve to rule western canada.
lets see where shall we start;
1- no parts are not shipped directly to each base. If it is a AOG part, yes, but if it is part where none are in stock or stock is low, it is first shipped to YYD where it is received and then out to YYC or YVR days later and dollars later. there have been times when a/c are down do to parts still waiting to be recieved YYD
2- the shipping discount on jazz and AC does not apply now that you are only codeshare. yes there was a awesome discount before but not anymore.
3- haha no mail is not handled internal, almost everything gets shipped on AC. There are many boxes shipped out daily.
4- not only are charters cancelled or over books them, with the hope of doing them inbetween sched runs. This is how CityLink got in trouble with AC. There have been times when Scheds are late because the charter that was operating inbetween was late ..... not good in AC eyes.
5- CMA couldn't seize the opportunity 5 years ago because they were locked in by AC and couldn't branch out by themselves. Sure its awesome money, but the opportunity wasn't seize. Hawkair did though. It hasn't been till the last 2 years CMA has had the chance to branch by themselfs and not worry that AC will get mad at them at cancel the contract.
now before everyone starts thinking i hate CMA or have a bone to pick with them, i don't ......i love them. sure they have their problems but ever one does, the one i work for does. This is more of a discussion on CMA and how they can improve to rule western canada.
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Years ago I asked Horizon Airlines pilot why they had divested themselves of the Dornier 328. He said the flight crews liked to fly it and it worked well for them in the US northwest but it was a hanger queen. Parts and support were hard to get from Dornier and the Dash 8 ended up more economical to run. With the 328 Jet maybe Dornier is better on parts and support now. Shell seems to be liking their machines. In addition to one in YYC I believe they have 3 more in Africa running crew shuttles.
Ok this is just a fealing im getting.
have you noticed it seams everywere you look in the industry smaller airlines are upgrading equipment like this rumored 328 at CMA, Sunwest with Dash 8's. Skyward 1900. Ive even heard something about the Bear. as well Even Canjet getting newer 737-500. from what ive heared that after 911 you can get a "newer" equipt for cheaper than normal. Im just looking forward to EFIS no more steam gauges. anyone else get that vibe
Thats just my opinion i could be wrong
have you noticed it seams everywere you look in the industry smaller airlines are upgrading equipment like this rumored 328 at CMA, Sunwest with Dash 8's. Skyward 1900. Ive even heard something about the Bear. as well Even Canjet getting newer 737-500. from what ive heared that after 911 you can get a "newer" equipt for cheaper than normal. Im just looking forward to EFIS no more steam gauges. anyone else get that vibe
Thats just my opinion i could be wrong
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