RCMP - CYVR - Polish Immigrant

[Cat Driver]

I still have faith that the vast majority of police are respectable, well-intentioned, caring guys and gals, but as usual it's the minority that ruins it for everyone.

The Polish guy was in the wrong place at the wrong time then...sort of a police Swiss cheese moment where all four cops fit the same mold.

Maybe Wilbur can point us to some warm fuzzy pseudo legalize B.S. to make everyone feel better because the odds are in your favor that if four of them are about to arrest you that at least one of them should have a brain.

[Troubleshot]

Boy the tone of this thread changed fast...

[Cat Driver]

Boy the tone of this thread changed fast...

Some of us watched the RCMP outright lie about what happened more than once on TV....then we got to see the video that some citizen had taken.....we feel the RCMP can not be trusted...period.

[Just another canuck]

And I feel the same way... yet I feel better about them than I do the OPP. Just because I've been victimized by the bastards on more than one occasion. Aahhhh they're all criminals.

[ronjeremy]

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[Just another canuck]

Well I have to choose between cops that abuse their rights as cops and sometimes cause accidents as negligent as murder AND a pilot or atc... I choose pilot or atc.

[Whisky 1]

ronjeremy, you wouldn't go into a high risk situation you would probably poop your pants. You're the one who bashes cops and then calls when you need one. Sign up if you can do better. Good luck with the background check.

[Topspin]

ronjeremy, you wouldn't go into a high risk situation you would probably poop your pants. You're the one who bashes cops and then calls when you need one. Sign up if you can do better. Good luck with the background check.

Uh, just so we're clear: One's willingness to go into a situation like this has nothing to do with the implications of what might happen when 4 idiots in uniform repeatedly taser a non-combative individual after taking a full 24 seconds to assess the situation.

Those morons probably couldn't tie their shoelaces in 24 seconds, let alone make an informed decision about how to handle the scenario. They were told he didn't speak english. Why did they even enter the area until they had a plan? Dumb fucks.

As much as it sucks to agree with you;

He was being a provocative a$$hole,

Cops arrived on the scene, he ceased all hostility and was standing there,

They tasered him without provocation (Even then I can give them justification, based on circumstances and what is the norm around airports),

They then decided to sit on top of him and take several minutes to decide to call ERS because he was dieing, (Knee to the neck was restricting O2 to the brain which appears be the cause of death based on currently released information)


I can hand them justification on use of force, I really can. But watching him die, accelerating that cause of death and not calling emergency services is at the very least negligence causing death, but I'd lean more towards manslaughter. Not like it matters. What it boils down to, IMHO is, he didn't have to die.

[ronjeremy]

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[Just another canuck]

Whiskey, sorry to say but I am general duty constable with a police service.

Oh, that explains it...

[ronjeremy]

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[Just another canuck]

Oh I'm sorry, I thought you were defending the RCMP's actions on this?? My bad if you weren't

[Just another canuck]

He died, we've been told, because he drank too much and had a fear of flying.

Oh, well, I guess I escape death every day at work...

What a joke... they committed a crime as far as I'm concerned and should be charged accordingly.

[North Shore]

He died, we've been told, because he drank too much and had a fear of flying.

That muddies the water a little - IIRC, a tox screen came up negative for alcohol after his death. He may have had a history of Alcohol abuse in the past, but was not drunk at the time. I always thought he died because after they tased him, 4 coppers jumped on top, and then did sweet f-all when he stopped breathing..

[Sheila]

Obviously they over-tasered the poor guy and they should say so and it should be dealt with properly. They also abused their authority in that situation because the guy didn't threaten anyone, or throw a chair at anyone. Didn't they have a clue, to figure out the guy didn't speak English, duh!

This is pretty low alright, and if we weren't Canadians we'd probably be more cool like the Greeks. I think those guys are right on.

[looproll]

fight the power

[tellyourkidstogetarealjob]

ronjeremy, you wouldn't go into a high risk situation you would probably poop your pants. You're the one who bashes cops and then calls when you need one. Sign up if you can do better. Good luck with the background check.

How drunk were you when you wrote this? It's gibberish. You seem to be supporting cops but go after someone who is clearly on the same side.

ronjeremy has made it clear he is a cop on previous posts. Whether you agree with him or not, he writes intelligently and his points are always clear.

Unlike some of the responses from my fellow aviation "professionals".

[tellyourkidstogetarealjob]

Cops are fuckin' assholes... plain and simple.

I'm curious to know why the self-appointed Avcanada thought police haven't jumped all over this?

I find it hypocritical that so many enlightened Avcanada posters don't apply their self righteous standards of decency evenly.

If I took the word "cops" out of that sentence and inserted "blacks" or "asians" or "gays" or "natives" or "welfare recipients" or "single mothers" or "non-drinkers" or "stewardesses" or, my goodness, "pilots", I expect the indignation and hate mail would be fast and furious. But certain groups are fair game: Cops, Americans, the religious. I've noticed it repeatedly on this site.

I'm curious to get an answer not just from the sanctimonious hypocrites but perhaps a moderator also. Why is the inconsistency tolerated?

[Cat Driver]

If I took the word "cops" out of that sentence and inserted "blacks" or "asians" or "gays" or "natives" or "welfare recipients" or "single mothers" or "non-drinkers" or "stewardesses" or, my goodness, "pilots",

I can't help you with your question but I am guessing if you used the word " Gay " and " assholes " together you might be compounding your possibility of being criticized by some here.

[Just another canuck]

If I took the word "cops" out of that sentence and inserted "blacks" or "asians" or "gays" or "natives" or "welfare recipients" or "single mothers" or "non-drinkers" or "stewardesses" or, my goodness, "pilots", I expect the indignation and hate mail would be fast and furious. But certain groups are fair game: Cops, Americans, the religious. I've noticed it repeatedly on this site.

I was making a statement based on the actions of a group of people. Maybe I shouldn't group all law enforcement into one group, but it seems the ones that stand out are not the heroes but the "assholes". To compare this to the above such as racism is just stupid. Racists feel the way they do because of skin colour, not the actions of a particular race. Homophobes don't like gays because of their attraction to the same sex. Neither of these has anything to do with violence towards innocent people, like police officers seem to partake in every day.

And pilots, I thought there was a group that thought all pilots were assholes... called engineers aren't they??

Anyway, I'm not a moderator but maybe they haven't stepped due to the great big disclaimer on the Board Index which says "THIS FORUM MAY BE FOUND OFFENSIVE TO SOME READERS. PLEASE DO NOT ENTER IF YOU ARE EASILY OFFENDED"

[BoostedNihilist]

If I took the word "cops" out of that sentence and inserted "blacks" or "asians" or "gays" or "natives" or "welfare recipients" or "single mothers" or "non-drinkers" or "stewardesses" or, my goodness, "pilots", I expect the indignation and hate mail would be fast and furious. But certain groups are fair game: Cops, Americans, the religious. I've noticed it repeatedly on this site.

It's really quite simple.

blacks, asians, gays, natives, welfare recipients, single mothers, non-drinkers, and pilots are not in a position of authority. When you CHOOSE to pursue authority over others you open yourself up to criticism just or not, well founded or not. When you CHOOSE to become a police officer and CHOOSE to be in a position where you can legally impose your will on other members of society, and that right is not reciprocal then you open yourself up to blanket statements in a way that blacks, asians, gays, natives, welfare reipients, single mothers, non-drinkers and pilots do not. Granted, blanket generalizations are never an intelligent way to illustrate your point, however when there seems to be a fraternity aspect to the protection which is granted to those who do wrong and are essentially 'above the law' it is hard to separate those who are morally and ethically acceptable from those who are not.