American Pilots coming to Canada?

[Flybabe]

For what it's worth, I've trained in both countries. In my opinion, the US isn't any "easier" than Canada.

[Hedley]

I find this parochial nonsense to be quite embarrassing.

[Embraer190]

My question has been thoroughly answered. Thanks.

[flying4dollars]

Anyways, if you really wanna talk about the quality of our crews, wasn't it US 'college educated top gun pilots' that were responsible for numerous friendly fire accidents?

Sorry dude, this isn't a debate between CF and the US armed services. Both have great people, both have retards.

This is turning into a debate (I use that term loosely) of civilian pilots between the US and Canada.

190:

Please ask, or state what you think that Canada does that the US doesn't in reference to flight training, rules, procedures etc...

I've had the pleasure of being licensed in both countries. Anyone that has flown in US airspace can probably comment on this too.


If you choose to , please explain to me how the American Collegiate is vastly inferior to the Canadian one?

I was only responding to that post, not to the thread collectively

[Embraer190]

190:

Please ask, or state what you think that Canada does that the US doesn't in reference to flight training, rules, procedures etc...

I've had the pleasure of being licensed in both countries. Anyone that has flown in US airspace can probably comment on this too.


If you choose to , please explain to me how the American Collegiate is vastly inferior to the Canadian one?

To be completely honest, I don't know a thing about flight training in the United States, nor do I care. The purpose of my post was to learn more about the employment laws between Canada and the United States. I have been enlightened. The shot that I took at the American education system was not specifically targeting aviation, but rather the slumping education system (which can be backed up by statistics) in general.

EMJ190

[Nark]

To be completely honest, I don't know a thing about flight training in the United States, nor do I care. The purpose of my post was to learn more about the employment laws between Canada and the United States. I have been enlightened. The shot that I took at the American education system was not specifically targeting aviation, but rather the slumping education system (which can be backed up by statistics) in general.

I obviously took your words out of context when you said it was easier to get a license in the US. Something you later admit to knowing nothing about. Please continue...


Also please enlighten me with statistics proving Canadian Collegiate is superior to that of the US. We aren't talking high school, which I clearly stated in my previous post, or is it my American University educated vocabulary a little hard for you to understand?

[Cat Driver]

Embraer190 having done my flight training in the USA both ground school and flying for two of my licenses I can guarantee you that it is not easier in the USA.

As to Canada's training standards they are no where near as difficult as JAA but they are on a par with South Africa if that makes you feel any better.

[planett]

Being on par with South Africa would make any Rugby nation feel better.

[Meatservo]

Well say what you want about "Nark", there's nothing wrong with his spelling. If he went to school in the states, he puts the rest of you Canadian geniuses to shame. Let's watch the spelling, people. The Americans are watching.

[Embraer190]

Also please enlighten me with statistics proving Canadian Collegiate is superior to that of the US. We aren't talking high school, which I clearly stated in my previous post, or is it my American University educated vocabulary a little hard for you to understand?

Nark,

I guess you have a hard time understanding what the word in general means. What makes you think I'm talking about just University and College? Here are a few interesting articles for you by the way:

http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/18874
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/11/ ... 0872.shtml

For those who aren't interested in reading the articles, this first one talks about the poor quality of the American education system and the second article talks about Education worldwide and compares the United States to other countries, including Canada. These is some solid evidence backing my opinion. Key word is opinion. I know you guys down south aren't too keen on "critical thinking" and "opinions" - but I am capable of formulating my own educated opinions. I hope you can admit that there is problem with education in the United States in general. Hopefully Obama can pump some life into the system.

And finally, some George Carlin to reinforce my opinion: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJ4SSvVbhLw

Now please just give it a rest.

[Cat Driver]

Now please just give it a rest.

Having grown up in close proximity to the USA and been molded by their culture as much as the Canadian culture I find your remarks insulting Embraer190.

With a user name like you have I guess it would not be wise for me to insult Brazil?

[Embraer190]

Having grown up in close proximity to the USA and been molded by their culture as much as the Canadian culture I find your remarks insulting Embraer190.

With a user name like you have I guess it would not be wise for me to insult Brazil?

I'm sorry if I insulted you. If you're taking offense to the fact that I said it was easier to become a pilot in the United States, I think I should have been more clear on what my perception of easy is. First off, in the United States, flight training is quite a bit cheaper than it is in Canada. Second, pilots can get a job with a regional airline with 250 hours (I know Jazz is doing that, but to a much lesser extent). As far as the training aspect, I'm not questioning the quality of flight training in the United States - not at all. I'm simply saying that the overall process in the United States involves less bullshit (ie: working on the ramp) which is why I consider it to be easier. Like I said, this is my opinion... so why should it insult you?

And by the way... I'm

[Nark]

I was under the impression that once the FAA or TC signed off on your ride that you were a pilot, not when you collected a paycheck.

Supply and demand has been around since Orville told Wilbur, "I'm flying."

If Canada had anything near the amount of traffic the US had you will see Jazz, Calm Air, et al require nothing more than a heart beat to fly.

Keep in mind these heart beater's still have to pass the appropriate courses the FAA requires. The same courses that many Canucks attend as well.

If you look closely at your Canadian flag you will see many tiny Stars and Stripes on there as well.

[Embraer190]

I was under the impression that once the FAA or TC signed off on your ride that you were a pilot, not when you collected a paycheck.

Supply and demand has been around since Orville told Wilbur, "I'm flying."

If Canada had anything near the amount of traffic the US had you will see Jazz, Calm Air, et al require nothing more than a heart beat to fly.

Keep in mind these heart beater's still have to pass the appropriate courses the FAA requires. The same courses that many Canucks attend as well.

If you look closely at your Canadian flag you will see many tiny Stars and Stripes on there as well.

Sounds good, and now we leave this post to die.

[Meatservo]

There's stars and stripes on the Canadian flag? Where? The label? I thought they were made in China.

[C-GGGQ]

flight training is quite a bit cheaper than it is in Canada

Not by much Sticker price is around the same

I know Jazz is doing that, but to a much lesser extent

such a lesser extent that they stopped

[square]

[Embraer190]

such a lesser extent that they stopped

For now

[pushyboss]

Tackleberry, (been awhile since anybody's called you that I bet),

You know I respect the hell out of you and take my hat off to you for what you do and what you stand for.....but in this instance you are going to have to remove your rose colored glasses. I am licensed in both countries (as well as JAR and a few others) and although the Canadian system is not difficult the USA system is brain dead easy by comparison. I am not suggesting that US licensed pilots are incompetent or unsafe only that the training/checking/examination process is significantly easier. This is partly due to the freedom of information laws that control the US examination system. How this thread turned into a Canada vs US is beyond me but so be it.

Are you sure that all US miltary aviators must be College grads. I have a buddy in the US army flying a Dash 7 for Army Intel (oxymoron I know) and I don't believe he is a college grad. He holds the rank of Staff Sargeant I believe.

Anyway that old .270 took a really nice 12 point whitetail this fall. Best deal I ever made. You be safe my friend and look me up your next trip north of '49.

[Nark]

Pushyboss, great to hear from you. I'm trying to resurrect "Tackleberry", but for now its "Canuck." I should be thankful I avoided "superman."

I will concede on the part of examinations. We in the US are afforded a pool of all the answer's beforehand, then the test's are composed of selected questions. Easier to study no doubt, however the flight tests are no different.

The tolerances are the same: +/- 100', 10 knots etc... With this said, the FAA and TC has made an agreement that one can convert an FAA to TC and vice-versa on the merit of each others flight training standards. Send a verification letter to Oklahoma, and then walk into a FSDO and you'll get a license to fly in accordance with that (TC) license.



The US Army is a different bunch. They have warrant officers that fly helo's. Warrants don't require a degree. However a Staff Sergeant wouldn't be pushing the buttons. Most likely he went from Staff to WO.

The US Navy is taking a very select few E-7's and sending them through flight school as Warrant Officers as well, but this is a pilot program. Last I heard they will be back seaters. I'm almost positive that those who were selected (a handful) have degree's but being a WO doesn't require a degree like regular O's do. The USMC stopped using WO's as pilots back in Vietnam. Today all our WO's are on the ground in some shape or form.

I'm heading north in a few days, for a few days. I'll certainly take you up on your offer when I head your way. I haven't had a chance to hunt since I left SK. Well, nothing you could mount over a mantle...


I'll teach you how to surf if you ever make down this way.

Cheers.