Air India F/A's Fired for being too tubby

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Air India F/A's Fired for being too tubby

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In a related story Caribbean Air representative Simone Manley expressed interest in hiring the recently laid off employees, stating:

"I like big butts and I cannot lie"

Indian airline fires 9 overweight crew members

NEW DELHI (AP) — Nine flight attendants who couldn't meet the weight standards of India's national airlines have been fired, an official said Tuesday.

The crew were significantly overweight and had been given time to lose weight but had not, said Air India spokesman Jitender Bhargava. He declined to give details on their weight.

A lawyer for the women blasted the firing. "The action is illegal and against the natural justice. I will soon file an application in the Supreme Court against the order," Arvind Sharma told the Press Trust of India news agency.

Air India has spent years fighting for the right to fire cabin staff it considers physically unfit. In 2006, it warned its nearly 1,600 cabin crew workers to shape up in two months or risk being assigned to ground duties_ jobs that often pay less than those in the cabin. When the airline reassigned employees it deemed overweight, some of them took it to court.

Last year an Indian court ruled in favor of the airline, paving the way for the firings earlier this week.

The airline said that fitness and efficiency were the reasons for its weight standards, which it said were based on "scientific" combinations of height, age and gender. It did not give further details about how such standards were determined.

While all the cabin crew fired this week were women, Bhargava said there was "no gender bias. The rules are the same for both men and women."

India has laws aimed to protect against discrimination based on factors including caste, gender and religion, but no specific ones about weight.

Air India has tried in the past few years to change a public perception of its cabin staff as tired, unfriendly and inefficient.

India's airline industry has grown dramatically in recent years as rising incomes and loosened regulations put air travel within the reach of millions of new customers — and increasing pressure on Air India to remain competitive.
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Maintaining professional standards is what i'd call it.
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They're not the only airline out there with these kind of standards... several have age limits as well. And not like 55, but like 35. The weight thing may seem unfair, but it makes sense.

Not to mention, I enjoy Emirates, Cathay, Singapre, Thai, Vietnam Airlines hosties over AC, WestJet, etc., etc... may seem like a cruel statement, but it's reality.

Same as when you go to a restaurant. Although you do want your waitress to be nice and good at her job, you'd rather have an attractive waitress.

Sex sells!!
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Well, pilots have to pass a medical. I'm on the fence on this one. It depends- how tubby is tubby?

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It should be easy to develop a "go"/no go" type of gauge, like a hoop of sorts. They either fit through it or they don't.

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130, maybe 135 pounds seems to ring a bell.
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Vietnam Airlines Flight Attendants have my vote for the most attractive in Asia.

It's not Canadian PC to say anything about how attractive women are... You certainly have to be very very careful here as it is easily interpreted as sexual harassment if you say anything especially to a co-worker.
Smile at an asian girl and she'll smile back... You find her attractive and she loves it.
Smile at a Canadian girl and you are likely to be in trouble, and with all the misinformation from the media she may think of you as some sort of predator... Oh dear.

At one time air travel was glamourous and the girls took special care of themselves... Why shouldn't women aspire to beauty? They were born to be beautiful and attractive both to each other and to men.

Then there's the practical.
I was once on a Canadian Airlines flight when there was a flight attendant who was clearly well and truly out there pregnant.
I believe that the safety of passengers in an emergency evacuation including the safety of the flight attendant herself would be in doubt.
Pregnant and infirm people are not allowed to sit by the emergency exit, should a well pregnant woman be working as a flight attendant?

I do not know about how 'fat' these Indian women are, but Asian sensibilities are the same as western ones were until recent years... Most passengers are men. and beauty sells plane tickets.

There are guys who like big round women of course...

There's payload, and whether the flight attendant is fit enough to evacuate passengers in an emergency etc
Yes Air canada has some mature women... They do a good job.
I remember 32 years ago flying on a BA European division Trident to Dublin, and there was a frightening butch red head on there... You'd do as you were told if she is on your flight!

Not to forget this:
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We have pretty strict height/weight standards (USMC) and can see where Air India is coming from. We don't want lard asses making our uniform look bad. We leave that to the Army and Navy. We kick people out if they fail to conform to our rules.

Do these people forget that they aren't there to serve cookies, but lead passengers to safety in the event of an emergency?

But of course their lawyers are all over this. I can't wait until it happens here, and the ACLU jumps all over it.
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Jungle Jim wrote:It should be easy to develop a "go"/no go" type of gauge, like a hoop of sorts. They either fit through it or they don't.
*snicker* ... maybe they should come up with something like what is used for carry-on baggage!
Nark wrote:Do these people forget that they aren't there to serve cookies, but lead passengers to safety in the event of an emergency?
What he said.
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MichaelP wrote:Vietnam Airlines Flight Attendants have my vote for the most attractive in Asia.
Tough call there... they're all amazing. I like they outfits on Singapore. Not revealing, but very sexy.
MichaelP wrote:Smile at an asian girl and she'll smile back... You find her attractive and she loves it.
Smile at a Canadian girl and you are likely to be in trouble, and with all the misinformation from the media she may think of you as some sort of predator... Oh dear.
Terrible this is, but very true.
Nark wrote:Do these people forget that they aren't there to serve cookies, but lead passengers to safety in the event of an emergency?
Again, what he said.
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Nark wrote:Do these people forget that they aren't there to serve cookies, but lead passengers to safety in the event of an emergency?
Actually, and sadly, most of the public DO forget that, if they even knew it in the first place. However, crew members certainly realize that, especially during requalification training each year that, at least in Canada, includes practical evacuation drills.

Of course, some folks would like to turn back the clock and have standards like this:
The following statement was taken from the November 1939 issue of Canadian Nurse. (Source: Globe and Mail)

The TCA stewardess must be a girl of good education and she must have a pleasing and courteous manner. These things follow naturally when she is a nurse ..... she may weigh as little as 95 pounds but not more than 125 pounds. She must not be under 21 nor over 26 years of age. Married women are not acceptable as TCA stewardesses, even if their husbands are dead or divorced.
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CD wrote:Quote:
The following statement was taken from the November 1939 issue of Canadian Nurse. (Source: Globe and Mail)

The TCA stewardess must be a girl of good education and she must have a pleasing and courteous manner. These things follow naturally when she is a nurse ..... she may weigh as little as 95 pounds but not more than 125 pounds. She must not be under 21 nor over 26 years of age. Married women are not acceptable as TCA stewardesses, even if their husbands are dead or divorced.
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I say petition, march and protest to BRING THIS BACK!!!! :smt040
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Yes, yes, now I'll dream this afternoon away...
Not to ignore the fact that who'd willingly argue and get upset with girls like these?

Air Canada does not promote it's flight attendants as other airlines do. After searching 27 pages of Google images I found this one:

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Definately NOT SEXY:
No wonder Canada's birth rate is dropping like a brick, 'NO SEX PLEASE, WE'RE CANADIAN'

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I'm no expert on fashion, but who came up with such sacks for professional people to wear?
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Oh man, I miss riding with good airlines like Singapore... those are the girls I want taking care of me. :smt050 :smt050 :smt050 :smt050

Yeah and what's with that bottom picture... I'll go and say it, they look like shit.
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Just another canuck wrote:They're not the only airline out there with these kind of standards... several have age limits as well. And not like 55, but like 35.
If their salary were down to minimum wages at Air Canada you can bet that not that many would do a career out of it.
---> good turn over and not much F/A's above 35 :smt003


Not that I wish anybody minimum wage :(
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I know Flight Attendant pilots working on their CPLs to go and sit front right seat and get paid less than they get paid as Flight Attendants!
On many airlines in North America some of the girls behind earn more money than at least one of the pilot's if not both up front!
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A fiend of mine works for an airline in Eastern Europe and told me their policy was to hire young girls starting at 19 and give them a 3 year contract which is renewable. The average FA gets 3 renewals or until they start looking a little worn out at about 30. Then they hire another 19 year old. There are probably less then 10% of the FA's over 35, and those are involved with training or other non flying duties.
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MichaelP wrote:I'm no expert on fashion, but who came up with such sacks for professional people to wear?
Hey, beats the old Braniff days... :wink:
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I actually prefer those... quirky and unique is better than stale and uninviting.
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MichaelP wrote: Why shouldn't women aspire to beauty? They were born to be beautiful and attractive both to each other and to men.

Hahaha, they were born to be attractive to each other when your wife leaves the house and there's a spare sock on the floor, I bet.
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Proper FA's
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Watched an old documentary on Flight attendants (with surviving flight attendants giving fond memories). You had to wear a girdle and had to quit if you got married pregnant or over 35. As one said "we just hoped we did those in the right order"
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