Cessna crash & rescue on Terra Rosa Glacier Dec. 20/08

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Cessna crash & rescue on Terra Rosa Glacier Dec. 20/08

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Got this in my Google news alerts, found it interesting ...
Plane crashes on Terra Rosa Glacier
Three people in Cessna 172 rescued, uninjured
By Jesse Ferreras
Published 2009-01-07 17:05:06

Pemberton RCMP are working with Transport Canada to figure out what caused a Dec. 20 plane crash on Terra Rosa Glacier, 20 miles northeast of Squamish.

At about 4:07 p.m. the RCMP received a report regarding a GPS spot beacon activation. They later confirmed a plane had gone down near the glacier in Garibaldi Provincial Park, according to an RCMP news release.

Another plane in the area made contact with the crashed plane and discovered there were three people on board with adequate survival gear. There were no injuries.

The plane was a Cessna 172, a high-wing aircraft that can accommodate a total of four passengers. All three people on board the plane were "plucked off" without further incident after the crash, according to Captain Dave Bowes, air coordinator at Victoria's Joint Rescue Coordination Centre.

The Victoria JRCC first caught wind of the crash at about 2 p.m. in the afternoon. A Buffalo aircraft and Cormorant helicopter were dispatched to help the downed passengers. The Buffalo and the Cormorant took off at about 5 p.m., just as the sun was going down. Rescuers arrived on scene just after 6 p.m. and were able to retrieve the passengers by about 7:30 p.m.

When asked why the plane crashed, Bowes said, "I don't know. We don't ask why you crash, we rescue you."

The JRCC did, at one point, request ground support from Pemberton Search and Rescue but they were never tasked, according to Dave Steers with Pemberton's SAR.

RCMP are still trying to determine the cause of the crash
http://www.piquenewsmagazine.com/pique/ ... crash+1602

Here's the CADORs ...
CADORS Number: 2008P2197 Reporting Region: Pacific

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Accident Occurrence Date: 2008/12/21
Occurrence Time: 0023 Z Day Or Night: night-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: Aerodrome Name:
Occurrence Location: Terra Rosa Glacier - NW corner of Pitt Lake Province: British Columbia
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 102880-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: 5 TSB Occurrence No.: A08P0387
Event InformationCollision with terrain
Aircraft InformationFlight #:
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: CESSNA Model: 172K
Year Built: 1969 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: AVCO LYCOMING Engine Model: O-360-A1A
Engine Type: Reciprocating Gear Type:
Phase of Flight: Cruise Damage: No Damage
Owner: Private Operator:
Operator Type: Private

Detail InformationUser Name: Matthews, Meghan
Date: 2008/12/22
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: General Aviation
Narrative: A privately registered Cessna C172 VFR origin and destination unknown Report received that an aircraft had crashed on the glacier.

User Name: Matthews, Meghan
Date: 2008/12/24
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: General Aviation
Narrative: UPDATE/ Add info from TSB: A08P0387: The Cessna 172 overturned during an attempted touch-and-go at the 6600 foot level of the Terrarosa Glacier in Garibaldi Provincial Park, about 40 nm NNE of Vancouver, BC. The aircraft was substantially damaged but the three occupants were uninjured and were rescued by a JRCC Cormorant helicopter about three hours after the accident. The aircraft had been modified via STC to a tail-dragger configuration and was equipped with 31" Alaska Bushwheel tundra tires. After the aircraft overturned the pilot removed the aircraft's ELT, extended its antenna, placed the unit on the snow, and activated it. As well, one of the passengers pressed the "Help Me" button on a Spot Tracker unit (a GPS-based tracking unit capable of sending an emergency signal which includes a GPS location) he'd brought on the flight. The pilot attempted to use a portable aviation band radio to broadcast a Pan Pan to Vancouver Centre. Although Vancouver Centre did not receive the radio signal, a Pacific Coastal flight passing overhead was able to communicate with the overturned aircraft and passed the communication on to Vancouver Centre. The accident occurred at about 15:15 Pacific Standard Time (PST). The RCMP were contacted by the Spot Tracker company who reported the "Help Me" signal, and the RCMP contacted JRCC at 16:07. Because the Spot Tracker was registered to the owner of an ultralight aircraft, some confusion arose during rescue efforts as to what type of aircraft was missing. The accident aircraft's ELT signal was heard at 16:51. Snow had been falling in the area for several days prior to the accident. Sunset occurred at about 16:14 (PST).
Seeing that the TSB has this as a Class 5 Occurrence (i.e. there will be no investigation for cause), this part of the article stood out to me more than it did originally ...
When asked why the plane crashed, Bowes said, "I don't know. We don't ask why you crash, we rescue you."
If we were to presume that this accident was a result of the pilot doing something he/she shouldn't have been doing (kind of like skiing in an "out of bounds" area) ... should he/she then be held financially responsible for the SAR effort?
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Re: Cessna crash & rescue on Terra Rosa Glacier Dec. 20/08

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I know you're not allowed to land anywhere in a National Park, but I can't find any info about restrictions for Provincial Parks in BC. Anyway, I'm sure the RCMP will pay him a visit if he did break some rule. My guess is he just did something unwise. Maybe he should have used skis. I just hope his insurance covers doing touch-and-goes on snow covered glaciers.
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Widow, you of all people should know that we should not "Presume" anything. It had a happy ending for f@ck sakes...
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I'm very glad it had a happy ending angry inch, and I meant no disrespect to the pilot in any way.

What originally interested me about the article was the use of the passenger's GPS and "adquate survival gear", then the CADORs remarks about the "portable aviation band radio" used to broadcast the PANPAN. I was impressed by the non-regulated equipment that appeared to be onboard ... and interested in how the aid/hindrance to the SAR effort it afforded.

At the same time, there is a lot of ongoing discussion in other forums I frequent, about the cost of SAR for people who have done things they shouldn't have been doing and thereby getting into trouble - and whether they should or should not be given a bill.

I also remember some past discussion about how operaters may delay the calling of SAR for fear of being held financially responsible for an unneccessary callout ...

Which led me to starting this thread.
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AFAIK - the Canadian Government (along with the rest of the 1st World) do not charge for SAR.

If operators in Canada are worried about a bill - they should give their heads a shake and start worrying more about their own people.
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Re: Cessna crash & rescue on Terra Rosa Glacier Dec. 20/08

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"Check out my new 31" tundra tires dude."
"Whoa man, they're huge. I bet your 172 could land anywhere on those bad boys."
"Let's go test em out."
"Hang on while I go grab my new handheld ELT and all of my survival gear."
"Don't forget your video camera and the cooler man."
"Can buddy come too?"
"The more the merrier dude, I've got an 0-360 under the hood."
"Hey Buddy, you fat bastard, drop that cheese burger and let's go for an adventure you'll always regret."

What's up with a touch and go on a powder field on wheels at 6600' in a 172 with 3 people on board, less than an hour before sunset???

Maybe Darwin award contenders who intentionally put themselves and others in harm's way should get a search and rescue bill.
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And here are some pics of the incident from Copa's website:

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Nice wheels.
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By the looks of things the wheels are great... they are the only thing that didn't sink in the snow :P
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By the looks of things the wheels are great... they are the only thing that didn't sink in the snow :P
Sadly, I think they actually sunk in pretty good...
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