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Last week, the lovely Lisa and I flew to visit my mom on Vancouver Island for her birthday. The visit itself was awesome, I didn't want to leave. For what it's worth, if you are planning on going to the Island from Vancouver Int'l, I recommend an outfit by the name of Amigo Airlines, they fly a Beech 18 on floats that'll take you to Nanaimo from Vancouver's South Terminal for $49 and it's a great experience. The pilots are great, and they are super-friendly. There's a Hawaiian grass-skirt bobblehead doll on the front dash and they have outfitted the Beech 18 with a DVD player and headphones for the passengers; our inflight movie for the 12-minute trip was Cheech and Chong, which I found endearing and much fun.

I am presently still on the EI gravytrain, so I did some jobhunting during the trip as well, but the main part of that was we flew on JetsGo. Yup, that JetsGo. A roundtrip ticket was $290 compared to $480 on the next cheapest airline, so it was a financial no-brainer, and even though I have some problems with the way the company operates, I figured the trip would be kinda like a fact-finding mission for me. Or something. Mostly it was just cheap, and I am ashamed to say that was my priority. We'll get back to the term "no-brainer" shortly though, trust me.

The trip to Vancouver was uneventful; we were an hour late arriving, which is neither here nor there. One thing Lisa pointed out was that the flight crew didn't make any announcements over the first one, when we were still on the ground at our departure point. They said we were next in line for takeoff (behind the 9 a/c in front of us I guess), and that they'd be in touch in the air. We landed in Vancouver without hearing from them, but I totally understand they could have gotten busy in flight, so I won't make any judgement about that either.

It's the trip back I want to relate to the gang. For anyone who cares, we were on Flight 177 on Thursday the 10th. It was a normal flight for the first hour, just the typical bumps going over the rockies. I was playing my Nintendo Gameboy (get one!) and Lisa was reading the latest copy of Cosmopolitain when we both noticed it was getting kinda hot inside the cabin. We also saw the the other passengers around us were fiddling with the overhead air nozzles, so we did the same. The result; no air coming from the nozzles.
We were sitting in one of the emergency exit rows, as is my habit, which meant we were right by the wing.

I noticed the speedbrakes deploy, then the flaps and leading edge slats. I thought that was pretty strange as we were over the Rockies still, and our next stop, Winnipeg was over an hour away. I also saw the ground, and by ground I mean "rocks" were getting a lot closer. I pushed the "bongbong" button and a flight attendant came over. I asked her what was going on, and she laughed and told us that we sometimes change altitude for traffic. Lisa and I had been battling the flu over the last few days, stuffy head and all that, and we were both pretty aware of the fact the pressurization had failed. I said "nuh-uh, we appear to be in an emergency descent" and she said in a quiet voice "I don't really know", then turned and walked to the back while I was in mid-sentence.

We levelled off at 10'000 feet as we came to the foothills of Alberta, heading east. The descent had taken only a few minutes; I was impressed. I bongbonged again and asked the flight attendant what was going on. She said there was a minor problem, but that it shouldn't affect our trip to Winnipeg. The pressurization then went completely sideways, and our overhead air jets alternated between jet blast and no air at all rapidly. Both Lisa and I were holding our ears and as I looked around, I saw the vast majority of the passengers were also. The flight attendants were all at the front, with the curtain drawn. I haven't felt anything like that before, and I hope to never again. The pressurization was cycling every few seconds, and the heat was alternating between volcanic and non-existent rapidly.

After a few minutes the captain came on the speaker. "Hello folks, we sure hope you are enjoying your flight. We have had a problem with the pressurization, but it's all under control and we'll be arriving in Winnipeg on schedule. I'm sorry about the ear troubles, and we hope you continue to enjoy the flight."
Fair enough. The only problem was that the pressurization continued to cycle very quickly and that our eardrums were in mortal danger. I took a stroll to the back and I saw a flight attendant, a pleasant hispanic woman, holding her ears and crying. No, I'm not kidding.

We continued on like this for about 40 minutes, cruising over the icy fields of Saskatchewan at 10,000'. I wonder what the fuel bill for that leg came to? I hope they don't deduct it from the flight crew's pay ;) Eventually we noticed the aircraft in a climb attitude and that the fields were getting somewhat smaller. The F/o came on and said "Everything is under control. We are at 20,000 feet now and the problem has been resolved. Once again, everything is under control."
We started our descent for Winnipeg and landed uneventfully.
The disembarking passengers left the airplane, and as Lisa and I were still scheduled to continue on, I went up front for a quick chat with the flight crew.
I talked to the F/o as the captain was on a cel phone talking to dispatch presumably.

"So. what happened?"
"Well, it was just one of those things. We lost pressurization, so we had to descend. We ran our checklists and couldn't isolate the problem. Then the problem went away. It was just one of those things, a Murphy's Law thing."
"I'm a little concerned that the problem hasn't been looked at. It seems like we are getting ready to leave again. Has maintenance looked at the problem?"
"Yup, he's right here. He said there's nothing wrong with the plane"
The f/o pointed to a guy standing in the cockpit with a flashlight and a reflective vest.
"Has he swapped out any parts?"
"He didn't need to, the problem is gone. It was just one of those Murphy's Law things."
"Ummm. So let me get this straight. The plane has healed itself? If nothing has been done on the airplane, and troubleshooting proved inconclusive, what's to prevent us losing pressurization again?"
"We wouldn't go if it wasn't safe."

His smile was strained and he was done talking to me.

I don't think the flight was delayed by much when we disembarked right then and there, even though it took a few minutes for them to offload our baggage. We were fortunate enough to grab a connecting flight on another carrier home with little effort. I didn't ask for a credit on the unused portion of our JetsGo ticket, as I won't be needing it. Ever again.

Yeah, I fly for a living and I know stuff happens. In and of itself, losing pressurization is no big deal. I also know how important it is to keep the passengers in the loop, but my main point is what I thought was a no-brainer before 2 nights ago. Planes don't heal themselves. Maintenance is more important that keeping a schedule. And you get what you pay for.
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wow, glad you made it back in one piece buddy. I had no idea that Jetsgo had the magically self healing aircraft!!! Maybe we all need those!!! But might explain the cheap tickets......since they dont' actually need maint...
And, well done for walking off. I will use the data you have collected to make the decision to never fly Jetsho
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hey! You' ll NEVER fly jetsgo after reading a post in a chat?
Your spirit is very weak!
Yes he is a "rank moderator" but don't be so impressed.He is not as impartial as a judge.
He only wanted to show his wife that he knows how it works.
He call the flight crew more than others pax in a supposed emergency situation because he is a PILOT! Nonsense. The only thing he' d have done is to calm down and let the crew work because someday he maybe will have to deal with an emergency with a pretented pilot in the cabin with a mouth wide open with questions for the crew.

Further more note that he didn' t tell the F/O he was a pilot and it' s why the jetsgo pilot didn' t explain in detail if technician change this part or this of the plane.He didn't let him work and the captain was dealing the problem as we all do in this kind of situation.
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I have know idea what happened on that flight but I will add a few points.

The next in line call you refer to is to tell the FA's to be in their postions going over their shouted commands silently, so if the crew did that with 9 airplanes in front that would have been approximately 30 mins prior to take off which makes no sense because it is supposed to be done when next to go.

The maximum slat speed is 280 knots or Mach .72. If they lost both packs then it is an emergency descent and the airspeed would have picked up considerably so it doesn't make much sense that the slats were extended and the increase in airspeed would have been VERY apparent so that doesn't make much sense.

If they were at 10 thousand feet with the pack problem all they had to do was turn them off and continue so that doesn't make much sense.

As far as being hot in the back but no air in the overhead vents, if the back is hot then the pack(s) are on which means the vents will also work, there is no seperate shutoff for the vents so that does not make much sense.

It also doesn't make any sense that the airplane was at 10 thousand feet and had the fuel to make YWG.

If I had to guess I would say one pack was intermittentand and running hot, so they turned it off and flew at 25 thousand feet. The overheat went away and they turned it back on, climbed up and continued the flight.

The airplanes can be dispatched with packs unserviceable, which is a simple MEL.

Thank God you got off though, it sounds like a harrowing experience. Maybe you should go and see a counselor about it.
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pimper wrote:I have know idea what happened on that flight but I will add a few points.

The next in line call you refer to is to tell the FA's to be in their postions going over their shouted commands silently, so if the crew did that with 9 airplanes in front that would have been approximately 30 mins prior to take off which makes no sense because it is supposed to be done when next to go.

The maximum slat speed is 280 knots or Mach .72. If they lost both packs then it is an emergency descent and the airspeed would have picked up considerably so it doesn't make much sense that the slats were extended and the increase in airspeed would have been VERY apparent so that doesn't make much sense.

If they were at 10 thousand feet with the pack problem all they had to do was turn them off and continue so that doesn't make much sense.

As far as being hot in the back but no air in the overhead vents, if the back is hot then the pack(s) are on which means the vents will also work, there is no seperate shutoff for the vents so that does not make much sense.

It also doesn't make any sense that the airplane was at 10 thousand feet and had the fuel to make YWG.

If I had to guess I would say one pack was intermittentand and running hot, so they turned it off and flew at 25 thousand feet. The overheat went away and they turned it back on, climbed up and continued the flight.

The airplanes can be dispatched with packs unserviceable, which is a simple MEL.

Thank God you got off though, it sounds like a harrowing experience. Maybe you should go and see a counselor about it.
Wow...thanks Mr. pimper....it makes me feel better now that you explained it all.

Good on you bro' :wink:
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BD! Are you back from your honeymoon with C-S yet?
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Jobdream, I am not impartial at all, I never said I was. I'm very, very, partial to my continued good health and welfare and that bias should be obvious.

I sat quietly in my seat for the entire trip, I didn't talk to the flight crew until we were on the ground in Winnipeg. I do have half a brain, and I wouldn't interrupt a flight crew during any abnormal situation, but that doesn't mean I'm going to be passive on the ground and just sit there, assuming my health and welfare are at the top of the list of concerns. I wasn't showing off to the girlfriend, I wanted to know what was happening. If I wanted to show off, I'd make up something about how I actually knew what was going in, which I didn't. I have every right to be informed on the situation, and I also have every right to know about any condition that could even possibly affect my safety as well as that of my loved ones. I know that losing pressurization isn't inherently a big deal, but first I need to hear that's all that's wrong with the plane. Then I need to hear that it's being taken seriously. You are correct in that I didn't identify myself as a pilot. I didn't think I had to. Are there seperate sets of answers for pilots and non-pilots?

For what it's worth, the F/o was quite explicit that no work was done to the aircraft, as the problem had gone away and they hadn't been able to discover the cause in the first place.

I'm not quite sure what you mean by this part:

"He call the flight crew more than others pax in a supposed emergency situation because he is a PILOT! Nonsense. The only thing he' d have done is to calm down and let the crew work because someday he maybe will have to deal with an emergency with a pretented pilot in the cabin with a mouth wide open with questions for the crew. "

Does it mean I shouldn't ask questions on the ground? If it means something else, I'm all ears.

Pimper, once again we were on Flight 177 on Thursday. The reason I mentioned that is so you'd have a way to follow up if you chose to do so.

I also thought it was strange we had enough fuel to make it to Winnipeg at 10k, but the captain said we were at 10k, and we did indeed have enough gas to make it there. It was a nice moonlit evening and I could see the fields down below quite clearly, and from that it also looked like we were at around 10k. Perhaps due to the short stop planned in Winnipeg they weren't planning on taking on fuel, and tankered it from Vancouver, I dunno.

As far as the descent goes, the speedbrakes/spoilers were extended, as were the leading edge slats and flaps. I was in row twenty-something, sitting right over the wing.

It WAS hot in the back, and I wasn't the only person to comment on it. The air from the nozzles was intermittent, and it did alternate between "some" and "none" many times while our ears were popping repeatedly. That part lasted at least 10 minutes, and well after the captain said the problem was under control, during which the pressure levels varied dozens of times. I have forgotten to set the pressure controller before on flights, and when I did set it, my ears bulged inward as the cabin pressurized, and it was exactly the same feeling, over and over again.

As far as seeing a counsellor, I could make a joke about JetsGo having them on standy at all major airports, with a nice bucket of green smiley-face Xanax to hand out after a flight like that, but that would be a cheap shot ;)

Telling me my business isn't valuable isn't exactly good P.R., but I understand you have issues with me personally, so I won't assume you speak for your employer.
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Rubberbiscuit wrote:BD! Are you back from your honeymoon with C-S yet?
Yes we had a lovely time thank you.

We ate good, drank wine, danced the flamingo under the stars...laughed, cried...professed our eternal love for one another....good times good times.

We plan to marry one day...anyone want to attend? Open bar...
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jobdream wrote:hey! You' ll NEVER fly jetsgo after reading a post in a chat?
Your spirit is very weak!
Yes he is a "rank moderator" but don't be so impressed.He is not as impartial as a judge.
He only wanted to show his wife that he knows how it works.
He call the flight crew more than others pax in a supposed emergency situation because he is a PILOT! Nonsense. The only thing he' d have done is to calm down and let the crew work because someday he maybe will have to deal with an emergency with a pretented pilot in the cabin with a mouth wide open with questions for the crew.

Further more note that he didn' t tell the F/O he was a pilot and it' s why the jetsgo pilot didn' t explain in detail if technician change this part or this of the plane.He didn't let him work and the captain was dealing the problem as we all do in this kind of situation.
You make me laugh. First, he is a very, very good personal friend of mine (yes in REAL life) so his opinion means a lot to me. Why should it matter if he told the pilot he was also a pilotor not, that makes it right to lie to the pax? Make shit up like airplanes 'fixing themselves'? hahaha
You are a moron, hope you dont' hurt too bad once your 30 grand goes byebye!! :lol: :lol:
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Is that you Vlad the Impaler? Boy I missed you, how is your other half? I never got to ask you this earlier but how much does Wackie charge for PPC's these days?

If you looked closely Saluko you would have seen 4 bars on the FO's shoulder as well. I looked up who the crew was and you could not have been in better hands. As for the pressurizatoin problem, maybe you can explain for me how your life/health was in danger? By the way the pressurization is automatic, meaning cruise altitude is not set it looks after itself.

If I were in the back I would have known it was a pack problem and chuckled and wouldn't hesitate getting back on. Now kindly pretent I am the maintenence guy and tell me what to fix? Would it go like this, there was a problem with the right pack, it was running full hot in both auto and manual modes we tried to trouble shoot it but could not find the problem, we suspect the pack was shutting itself down intermittently. We turned it off and descended. In the mean time the pack cooled and we tried it again and it worked fine for the last hour. Can you please go and fix it?

Buy the way one pack is sufficient to supply air to the aircraft and hold cabin altitude up to 37,000 feet so this story still makes no sense to me. Once again if they lost both packs the cabin would have ascended slowly and the airplane should have descended at high speed with only the spoiler out...so I am baffled.

Out of curiosity can you tell me what flight number and day you travelled to YVR?
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If the a/c "lost pressurization" in the flight levels, there would have been the instant rubber jungle, automatically, with no crew intervention. And THEN you would have been on a _slightly_ more aggressive descent. And loss of pressurization IS a big deal up high, or at least has to be treated as such until known otherwise!

pimper makes some very good points. I don't think it was quite a big a deal as made out to be. Not trying to be rude, but what type of jet experience is making the comments....? I thought I knew all about systems coming from my turboprop until I started groundschool on my first jet...

And honestly, while you have a right to know what's going on, the time to be asking is on the ground, not repeatedly chiming the FA while they're trying to sort out the problem...

Just my thoughts. I respect your right to choose whom you fly with, but comments like "you get what you pay for" are not credible. You could have paid double to fly AC or whomever and had the exact same technical problem, and had them deal with exactly the same way...maintenance looking at it and determining it was intermittent and within safety specs to continue under monitoring. You DO NOT have a FRACTION of the information available to the flight crew and maintenance, just your own determination that the FO's smile was "strained" or whatever...

Slamming JG is all the vogue these days, but for a long time AC was the whipping boy and these types of stories were common with them too...
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pimper wrote: I looked up who the crew was......
It's called a girl friend....look into it. :lol:

Give up bucketing water from the Titanic...it's gonna sink anyway. :P

xo Birddog :wink:
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"it was running full hot in both auto and manual modes we tried to trouble shoot it but could not find the problem, we suspect the pack was shutting itself down intermittently. "

Which also means that it was running full hot intermittently too. I dont know the systems but could it have overheated and melted a wing off, or whatever?An overheating pack doesnt sound like something you would want to fly around with.
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OK. your' re right sulako.
I understand you have "every right to be informed on the situation.
And I m SINCERELY happy you have not been hurt on this flight.

You said "I have half a brain and wouldn' t interrupt a flight crew during any abnormal situation". But you said too "I push the bongbong button :huh-uh we appear to be in an emergency descent".That' s your words Sulako!
You have to make a point of being impartial on this website (as a moderator). But you say it's impossible for you in this kind of incident where you are involved (as a pax).
That' s why you don' t have to take advantage with your "moderator" position and incite people be afraid with jetsgo.
If you really want to be afraid, there is plane incident every day in north America with excellent airlines.
If you want to be constructive with your case, contact http://www.cta.gc.ca/cta-otc2000/menu_e.htmlinstead of using this website as a complaint office for passenger.Transport canada will be impartial if you can' t.

You declare with your first post " I have some problems with the way the compagny operates". (Befor buying your ticket).
So don' t buy it if you have already preconception! Be logical.
And you didn' t ask for a credit on the inusued portion! (That' s your words). So that' s not a financial problem for you.

Ask for a credit, go for a complain with transport canada and let this web site free from your personnal passenger problem.

Tu ranga leela wrote "he is a very very good personal friend of mine in the real life"...Something tells me your opinion about jestgo was done before your very very good personal friend send his post...Honesty is somewhat compromise in the post...
You' r right when you say that we don' t have to lie to the passenger.
And I don' t want to insult you as you done.
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Yet another reason I'm glad I have all ways said "I will never fly JetGo". I don't care how cheap they are, well actually that is one or the reasons.
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The wing won't melt of if a pack overheat's, the pack will shutdown prior to that.
If I remember correctly the packs and the outflow valve both have auto and manual modes, so stopping ear popping shpould not have been a probelm, they may have ben troubleshooting to isolate the problem causing the fluctuations. Maybe not the best idea with a plane full of people but a real help to mntc.
I don't think we can judge this one too quickly.
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"It's called a girl friend....look into it." I don't think its tough for any SG pilot but thanks, I will!

The story Saluko told reminds me of another...During starts pneumatic air is supplied by the APU as well as the electrical load for the aircraft. If the APU can't handle the load it is supposed to dump pneumatics and keep the electrical so the airplane won't go dark. One aircraft on pushback attempted engine start and instead of the APU dumping the Pneumatics, it allowed itself to underspeed and shutdown making the airplane go black.

I met a few pax walking off the airplane going to get their bags because they felt scared and didn't want to fly anymore. I spoon fed them what happened and told them it was not a safety concern and they could still get back on if they wanted too. All of them said thanks but no thanks.

Why does this story remind me of Saluko's? The people in the back have no idea the systems in the airplane or the procedures to overcome the abnormalities. Why Saluko would post a story as trival as a pressurization problem and tell everyone he deplaned because he felt scared is beyond me. Maybe he can post a carb ice story next and tell everyone how he survived it.
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Hey Sulako...." This one time at band camp...."
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Instead of making excuses as to why JetsGo is not 'brutal'...why not hire another 'brutal' singer like AC did to mask your 'brutalness'

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First of all pimper, spell my name right. Otherwise the repercussions will be so huge our entire society might be destroyed. That and it's simple courtesy. If I didn't think you respected me, I couldn't sleep at night.
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If you looked closely Saluko you would have seen 4 bars on the FO's shoulder as well.
He was only wearing 3, perhaps his other bar was in the wash? I'm not sure how that's relevant

As for the pressurizatoin problem, maybe you can explain for me how your life/health was in danger?

Have you ever blown an eardrum? I suspect not. I know a fellow who did, and he never got his medical back again. That's just one example, I guess another one that springs to mind would be making an emergency descent over the mountains. I wasn't talking about the plane coming apart just yet, and I tried to make that clear


If I were in the back I would have known it was a pack problem and chuckled and wouldn't hesitate getting back on.

I didn't know, and still don't know it was a pack problem which is why I asked what was going on. The first answer the f/a gave me "We are descending for traffic" was obviously incorrect, so I threw caution to the wind and dared to chime again a few minutes later, for a total of twice. The f/a's were otherwise unoccupied, so I figured I could take up a moment of their time for my peace of mind. As a sidenote, I have never pressed the bongbong button before on a flight, so I felt like quite the badass

Now kindly pretent I am the maintenence guy and tell me what to fix? Would it go like this, there was a problem with the right pack, it was running full hot in both auto and manual modes we tried to trouble shoot it but could not find the problem, we suspect the pack was shutting itself down intermittently. We turned it off and descended. In the mean time the pack cooled and we tried it again and it worked fine for the last hour. Can you please go and fix it?

Maybe I was spoiled by the last AME I worked with (Luc you rock!!!) who would swap out parts that were intermittent for parts that worked 100%. I have no idea about the maintenance involved in the aircraft we flew, but it's intuitive to me that when something stops working, and nothing is done about it, it's going to stop working again sooner rather than later.

Buy the way one pack is sufficient to supply air to the aircraft and hold cabin altitude up to 37,000 feet so this story still makes no sense to me.

The story doesn't make much sense to me either, which is why I am offering identifying details about the flight so you can look it up with your coworkers. I knew you'd be reading this, and would take a special pleasure in discrediting anything I said that wasn't totally true, so I tried really hard not to jump to any conclusions, rather just report what I saw with my own two eyes.

Out of curiosity can you tell me what flight number and day you travelled to YVR?

I suspect you want to personally identify me, as your rather clumsy attempt with Turanga Leela suggests it gives you a feeling of power. I know both Turanga and the artist formerly known as Vlad, and they just aren't the same person, fyi.
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You have to make a point of being impartial on this website (as a moderator). But you say it's impossible for you in this kind of incident where you are involved (as a pax).
That' s why you don' t have to take advantage with your "moderator" position and incite people be afraid with jetsgo.

I'm a moderator? Jebus, I guess I am. I also said that I am not impartial; I do have a problem with a national carrier having a training bond, but that is irrelevant here. Please feel free to take any opinion I offer with a grain of salt or two. That being said, once again I really tried to just offer up what I saw and heard and felt with my own set of senses.

Phew! all this html code is taxing on my brain. I guess most of this boils down to communication. I wanted to know what was going on during an abnormal time, and what was going to be done to fix it, and the answers I received were unacceptable to me. I realize that parts break, and it could happen to anyone. It's what you do after it breaks that matters to me.
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Sulako are you a pilot for real??????????
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Damn you beat me to it Hun in the Sun...next time
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pimper wrote:Now kindly pretent I am the maintenence guy and tell me what to fix?
Thank your lucky stars we don't have to depend on guys like you to tell us what to fix!
pimper wrote:Would it go like this, there was a problem with the right pack, it was running full hot in both auto and manual modes we tried to trouble shoot it but could not find the problem, we suspect the pack was shutting itself down intermittently. We turned it off and descended. In the mean time the pack cooled and we tried it again and it worked fine for the last hour. Can you please go and fix it?

Buy the way one pack is sufficient to supply air to the aircraft and hold cabin altitude up to 37,000 feet so this story still makes no sense to me. Once again if they lost both packs the cabin would have ascended slowly and the airplane should have descended at high speed with only the spoiler out...so I am baffled.
I've heard enough... first, maybe one pack was already on MEL? Hmmm? Second, ...sounds like maybe a pack controller, or a flow control valve?... There are several things to consider... Highy doubtful that one pack was running just fine, given the set of circumstances... and the decent to 10,000 ft. ...
More time than a quick turn is needed... If I was the AME, sorry, you're not getting that airplane back for a bit. There's certainly something amiss and to send folks on their way in an airplane that could do that to them again may not be dangerous in the sense that their lives are at risk, (at least now that they're not over the Rockies anymore!) but it certainly does seem irresponsible to me!

Please tell me that if it was in YYZ and not YWG that dear old JG would have supplied another airplane!?

Sulako... "You get what you pay for" is right on the money!!

Good on you for bailing out!
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Hun IN the SUN wrote:Sulako are you a pilot for real??????????

Nice one. By suggesting I'm not a pilot, it totally discredits my posts, and maybe even makes me feel like less of a man.

However, it doesn't actually address the events I described.



I'm done with this thread now, on to bigger and better things, like supper.

I have said all I needed to, and I stand by every word.
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Sulako wrote:I'm done with this thread now, on to bigger and better things, like supper.

I have said all I needed to, and I stand by every word.
Wait!

I'm hoping you hung around long enough to know that there are those of us (I'd think lots of us) who think you did exactly the right thing by getting off that sick airplane!

Well done Laddie!
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