Voyageur Airways

[futboler14]

could get a good look at a t-bone by sticking my head up a bull's ass, but wouldn't I rather take the butcher's word for it?

hahaha my fav. movie

RIP Chris Farley

[Beach 200]

Only run in I had, or rather almost had with voyager, was with a grey haired pilot walking across the apron infront of my pa32-260 that was loaded to the tits and almost dragging the tail on the ground. The look on his face was pricless.

Whats with their requirments for the right seat guys on their medivac???

Well for the record I wasn't involved but I was watching this bonehead in YMO with a severly overloaded PA32 running his pop, chips and magic grass up the coast come taxing along at 30km/h, on the ramp with a medical patient transfer going on, almost run over the pilot trying to get out of his way and with total disregard for the safety of the Canadian Heli, Voyageur and ORNGE guys on the ramp. This is a great example of operating an aircraft in a reckless manner. Especially with his "tail dragging" PA32, I was wondering where he learn't to do a W&B or how he obtained his licence.
So for everyone going up to YMO, watch for this guy, apparently he's boss!!
Sneeker, next time you see 4 aircraft on the east ramp in YMO, with passengers unloading with Air Cree and Medical transfers going on, maybe have some considerate respect to taxi down Bravo, then backtrack 32 for 06 at the taxi speed you use or have some balls, come up to the pilot lounge at the terminal and we'll discuss it next time!!

[xsbank]

Carholme - hope whatever's got you has let go and you are feeling better. Take care.

[Sneeker]

Only run in I had, or rather almost had with voyager, was with a grey haired pilot walking across the apron infront of my pa32-260 that was loaded to the tits and almost dragging the tail on the ground. The look on his face was pricless.

Whats with their requirments for the right seat guys on their medivac???

Well for the record I wasn't involved but I was watching this bonehead in YMO with a severly overloaded PA32 running his pop, chips and magic grass up the coast come taxing along at 30km/h, on the ramp with a medical patient transfer going on, almost run over the pilot trying to get out of his way and with total disregard for the safety of the Canadian Heli, Voyageur and ORNGE guys on the ramp. This is a great example of operating an aircraft in a reckless manner. Especially with his "tail dragging" PA32, I was wondering where he learn't to do a W&B or how he obtained his licence.
So for everyone going up to YMO, watch for this guy, apparently he's boss!!
Sneeker, next time you see 4 aircraft on the east ramp in YMO, with passengers unloading with Air Cree and Medical transfers going on, maybe have some considerate respect to taxi down Bravo, then backtrack 32 for 06 at the taxi speed you use or have some balls, come up to the pilot lounge at the terminal and we'll discuss it next time!!

Yes im in cofg. I wouldnt be going if it wasnt. I seen the first group of people walking across the ramp and I gave them room but I didnt see the second guy, and thats why ac have right of way on the ramp. I understand what you guys are doing, I do, and I give you all the respect in the world, and try to give you all the room in the world for doing it. But I dont expect someone to run out infront of my aircraft as I taxi and look as hard as I can for people crossing the apron. Im always in the lounge and always free for a chat.
I cant wait to meet you friend.

[F/O Crunch]

weeeeiiiirrd...

[Chuck Ellsworth]

Maybe there will be a sequel to Brokeback Mountain called Brokeback Moosenee?

[Sneeker]

Im guessing he's pretty lonley down south. Im not exactly lonley up here in moose but hey what the heck Voyager pilots are good looking... What? Thats not what he was talking about?

[Dominic220]

and thats why ac have right of way on the ramp.

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Yeah... 'cept not. Pedestrians, emerg. vehicles, aircraft. Thanks for comin' out though.

[Turbofan]

Info req pls

VAL have 5 CRJ's ....where are they and what are they doing? sked, charters, water bombing(j/k)

what are the conditions like? and pay? PM me if you are shy.

[F/O Crunch]

They are welding them all together, and going to SPACE.

[kilpicki]

Waterbombing CRJ,s ??

turbofan do you have any pictures??

Sorry just cant help it.

[chiefpilot]

We all can continue to bash VAL or any company on here for that matter. But the company, training, treatment of the crew, pay and what you take away from the experience when you leave is entirley up to each individual.

Yes, I did the VAL thing, left a position as Captain on the Dash-8 with a great company, paid my bond, went direct entry Captain on the CRJ, did the Harmony contract and then went to Africa, did a few tours to be exact. Got some great jet command time, had a lot of fun with the crew overseas, drank some beer, saw some shit and yes, got very frustrated at times, BUT...when my year was up they transferred my bond back into my bank account, paid me interest and I even went back for another tour, drank more beer and had more fun, WE MADE IT THAT WAY! we didn't wait for the company to do anything for us, we didn't spend our days off thinking about how anyone had done us wrong.

I came back to Canada after my last tour, and got on as Captain on the CRJ 900 for a corporate gig, great pay, great people and a great position (because of the bond that gave me the CRJ type). So I guess to me (and maybe only me) it pays to make the experience what ever you want it to be.

[Carrier]

Quote: “..when my year was up they transferred my bond back into my bank account, paid me interest and I even went back for another tour...”

Did you have a banker’s guaranty paid for by Voyageur that would ensure that you would be paid back the full amount in the event of Voyageur being unable to pay or deciding to let you go in the meantime? If not, you took a chance and were lucky, just as somebody always wins the lottery. However, only fools plan on winning the lottery to provide for their retirement!
You were fortunate that Voyageur was still around to pay you back and continue to employ you. Have you not heard of Jetsgo and others? Perhaps you are wealthy or of independent means and the sort of amounts people lost at places like Jetsgo or could potentially lose at Voyageur would be small change to you. Most pilots working their way up the aviation food chain are unable to sustain a Jetsgo scale financial hit without their lives being blighted for many years. It is inconsiderate of you to encourage others who are less well off to risk their financial futures on such a scam.
I say scam because companies of integrity who treat their employees properly budget for and pay for job specific training and after training rely for employee retention on paying employees the market rate and treating them decently! A company that has to or chooses to use such devious retention tactics as bonds with third parties is obviously doing something wrong. Even if they are not, they are using unscrupulous HR policies and do not understand that perception does matter.
Perception applies in another area. If the company is cheap or dubious when it comes to training and employee retention then it is a fair and reasonable assumption that it is cheap and dubious in other areas, such as maintenance, safety, operating procedures, overloading, pushing serious weather, etc. That's the perception, like it or not!
Most new employees make a considerable investment in a new job. They usually give up a secure income at their previous employer and incur the costs of moving to the new employer. If they are married this increases the moving costs and the spouse may also have to change jobs. New employees are usually on probation for several months and can be dismissed without notice or compensation. That they are prepared to incur such risks and costs shows that they are serious in wanting it to work out with their new employer. Very few want to move elsewhere shortly after completing their training. That is usually due to something unforeseen by both parties. Companies of integrity recognise that it happens very rarely and realise it is better to part amicably than forcefully retain an unhappy employee.
Companies of integrity with decent HR policies recognise the risks and costs that new employees incur and do not go out of their way to add to them! These companies are grateful that somebody is ready to take on such costs and risks and move to them. People are well advised to steer clear of companies that want to have their cake and eat it as well.

[bilko]

I had dealings with Max Schapiro and Voyageur 30 yrs ago and they are still around so I,d say they are fairly well established and a safe bet to give a bond to.

Lets not forget the reason for bonds in the first place. Pilots screwed the employer by moving on after training.

Its fine and dandy to speel off like you did but I know most pilots would still move on if they could and leave the employer short changed. I say most not all. Obviously you wouldnt.

[Cat Driver]

Its fine and dandy to speel off like you did but I know most pilots would still move on if they could and leave the employer short changed.

Which would then make most pilots low life scum..no wonder they are paid peanuts.

[F/O Crunch]

If the company is cheap or dubious when it comes to training and employee retention then it is a fair and reasonable assumption that it is cheap and dubious in other areas, such as maintenance, safety, operating procedures, overloading, pushing serious weather, etc. That's the perception, like it or not!

Is it fair and reasonable to assume you would be a shitty pilot with little regard for safety, sop and airmanship if you screwed off to the next company you had a hard on for shortly after training?

I just think you're making a reckless assumption.

Peace and love,
foc

[Doc]

This just in. VAL is looking for a few good wallets, er, pilots for their brand new fancy airplanes. You will need to have a pulse, though a strong stomach may also be a requirement. Bring you money, your dad's money, or your first borne.....VAL ain't all that fussy...and they really NEED your money to paint the rest of their fleet this new company colour!





That will be FIFTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS.....thank you...suckers!!

[Unknown]

Hey leave the Skyvan out of this fight

[countryhick]

I also worked for Voyageur in the late '90's. There was no bond in place at that time. All the company asked of me was to honour a verbal commitment to stay at least a year. I stayed for over 3. As with any other company, there was good, and there was bad, but I never had reason to question my choice to work there. During my stay, the turnover rate was quite high, partly due to normal attrition, but mostly due to pilots moving on to the next best thing with no regard for the commitment they gave. I personally trained a pilot on the 100, then the 200 (he wanted YXL), only to see that pilot drive past on his way to a job out west that required the type rating to get the job. And we all wonder why bonds have become commonplace in this industry.

VAL has been around for quite a while, and likely will be for a long time. I don't agree with training bonds whatsoever. However, VAL is the least likely of companies that I would be worried about getting my $$ back from. Flying airplanes is only a small component of what they do. Take a peek at their website, I think a few of you may be surprised at what they have become.

KB

[Carrier]

A colleague joined Voyageur in 1997. All agreed it was a good move for him. Afterwards he stopped by a couple of times and indicated he was very happy there. At that time it seems to have been a pretty good place to work. Now look at the comments it is attracting. What happened to cause things to go downhill?

[Edelweiss air]

They are welding them all together, and going to SPACE.

LMFAO

[Just another canuck]

They are welding them all together, and going to SPACE.

LMFAO

No, it's true, but because there are five, it's a 75,000 dollar bond. Actually not a bad deal to make into the realms of space...

[F/O Crunch]

They are welding them all together, and going to SPACE.

LMFAO

No, it's true, but because there are five, it's a 75,000 dollar bond. Actually not a bad deal to make into the realms of space...

The distant future.... THE YEAR 2000

[Kitababy]

Anyone know where a person might send a resume for a FA position with Voyageur Airways? looked on the site, didn't see anywhere to submit one?

[townville]

resume@voyageurairways.com
It should find its way to the right person.
Good luck