NAV AIR

pilotinprogress · Post by **pilotinprogress** » Wed May 19, 2004 11:22 pm

I am curious about this company, anyone work there, or have any comments appreciate it thanks

Inthesoup · Post by **Inthesoup** » Fri May 21, 2004 4:28 pm

mostly just looking for people with good personalities and a PPC

Bulawrench · Post by **Bulawrench** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:07 pm

I have worked next door to Nav air for some 20 years as a mechanic. It has always been known to be good for building time. The wrench side of things are some of the smartest guys in the industry. Long hours and dedication makes for success. Good luck
Bula

sudzy · Post by **sudzy** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:00 pm

Stay the hell away. Worked there for year and half. You have to be nuts to put up with the BS the management puts you through. Not to mention the fact that the planes are the worst out there. None of the boots work and runing guages in the red line is "Navair Normal". You build time but is it worth your life. The owner is also a crook. They will screw you out of money at every chance. I now work in ATC and will never look back at that company. My two cents. Choose wisely. Good luck.

Bulawrench · Post by **Bulawrench** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:20 pm

You really don't know the guy next door now do ya.
Now i have the true storry thanks

b007 · Post by **b007** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 1:22 am

I’ve had the pleasure of meeting the Chief Pilot several times and some other employees at Nav Air and have nothing but good things to say about them.

Northern Flyer · Post by **Northern Flyer** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:49 am

sudzy obviously washed out as a pilot, since he now works for ATC. So take what he or she posts with a grain of salt.

not_a_chance · Post by **not_a_chance** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 10:43 am

Northern Flyer wrote:sudzy obviously washed out as a pilot, since he now works for ATC. So take what he or she posts with a grain of salt.

You mean take what he posts with a grain of salt, since Navair won't hire women. And yes it really is 2005.

sudzy · Post by **sudzy** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 12:08 pm

ice ice baby · Post by **ice ice baby** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 5:28 pm

They don't work 14 hour days. It's called a split shift and people in other industries are stuck with that one too.

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 6:23 pm

people in other industries that work a split shift get paid extra and get to go home in between the 2 portions. i don't call sitting around in penticton all day time off. you are away from base and unable to go home. just because you are not at the controls of an airplane, doesn't mean you are not working.

DriftWood · Post by **DriftWood** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 6:42 am

Wow. Sitting in CYYF all day in the summer really sounds like a bad time. I would way rather be sitting in CYOP all day!

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 8:57 am

you're right....but when you only make $60/day and you can't afford the green fees....and all you can afford is to sit around wishing you were doing something fun.....that is BORING. plus....summer is only for 3 months....what about the crappy winter days when the wind is blowing...or what about the same guys that do that schedule to Dawson Creek? anyways, you understand my point. yes, you can make the best of it, but you are still doing a 15 hour shift. period. I'm not bitching here, just arguing the point that it is not a split shift.

sudzy · Post by **sudzy** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 11:03 am

Golf, I had to give up eveything. Havent going skiing in two years. Girl friend....good luck. Can't afford to do a damb thing. Your girlfried can't understand how you can work all the time, never be home and not have any money to take her anywhere else except Mc Donalds. Its awesome.

habin fever · Post by **habin fever** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 9:06 pm

Heeeeeyyyy, I Like CYOP ! at least there's a tv in the shack there, now if only the furnace could be turned down so you could hear it !?!

Premium · Post by **Premium** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 12:36 pm

You build time but is it worth your life.

Let's get real here A-tard, that is a little dramatic don't you think? Tell me the last time a pilot lost his life working for Navair because of the aircraft. I can think of a few pilots who have perished at Navair but that was because of pilot error, which is something I'm sure you in particular were concerned about.

you're right....but when you only make $60/day and you can't afford the green fees....quote]

60 dollars a day for a copilot in the PA31. Probably the easiest job out there. I agree the pay is pathetic and something should be done about it but it gets better when you make captain, which usually happens within 6 - 12 months depending on company turnover, attitude, and skill level.

And all you can afford is to sit around wishing you were doing something fun.....that is BORING.
Cry me a river...my god is that all you care about, doing something fun?? For those of you that have any sense of maturity, ambition, and intelligence the time spent off duty can be used very wisely. Some guys spend this time hitting the books and preparing for their next job. Other guys sleep and do nothing. Now you tell me who's going to be flying at Navair for 5 years and who's going to be there for 2.

Girl friend....good luck. Can't afford to do a damb thing. Your girlfried can't understand how you can work all the time, never be home and not have any money to take her anywhere else except Mc Donalds. Its awesome.

A-tard you don't have a girlfriend so quit the BS. The girl you take to church with you for bible study doesn't count.

Instead of bashing Navair for its negatives, which they do have, why not mention some positive aspects of working there and comparing it other companies out there where guys with little or low time can get some experience.

You can log anywhere from 700-1000 hrs. per year. Captian within a year, home every night, ability to live in YVR and not in the middle of nowhere. It's not working for Air Canada but give me one company that beats it for time logging, and experience??

Almost every pilot that moves on from Navair moves on to a succesful company and career. Here are some examples.

Hawkair, Jazz, Skyservice, Cathay Pacific, etc.....

Working at Navair is what you make of it. It is a tough grind for a while but what company isn't unless you're with the airlines??

wallypilot · Post by **wallypilot** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:18 pm

I think I see the deal here: some of us are looking at these things from different points of view. I'll say this: Navair is a great place to get experience on your way to something better. As Premium said, (a bit of a spazz, but he is totally right):

"Almost every pilot that moves on from Navair moves on to a succesful company and career. Here are some examples. Hawkair, Jazz, Skyservice, Cathay Pacific, etc....."

and for your info, Premium, just because I say "doing something fun" doesn't mean that's all I care about. I am talking about having time in your life to do something other than work. Ambition and maturity are defined by a lot more than my work. My life is not so uni-dimensional. I was merely making a point. I don't even care about golf myself. don't take things so literally. We all (well most of us) work hard to get where we want to be and use our time accordingly.

Point is, from the point of view of getting some good experience, and using it as a stepping stone, then Navair is a great place to go. As far as long term employment, it's crap. So there you go....we're all correct. now let's play nice.

sudzy · Post by **sudzy** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:23 pm

OOOOhhhh. Looks like I hit a sore spot. Company still sucks. Great attitude though. Hows all the pilots drinking problem coming.

Premium · Post by **Premium** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 2:33 pm

Wallypilot - agreed.

A-tard...get over it pal. You couldn't handle it, and nobody could handle you. Good luck with ATC.

sudzy · Post by **sudzy** » Tue Feb 15, 2005 7:44 pm

sure thing flatt ass

merlin · Post by **merlin** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 4:02 pm

I don't care what way you look at it..... 60 bucks a day, is less than mim wage when you only work 8 hrs a day! At 15 hrs days, that is only $4 an hour. Hopefully the labour board in YVR will be after these guys next.

canoe · Post by **canoe** » Wed Feb 16, 2005 10:02 pm

60 bucks a day??? I'd be happy to fly with anyone who walked away from that bs. And that is exactly what it is, anytime someone takes a job for that amount of money its a slap in the face to me and anyone else who wants to make a living flying. But i guess to these people it's a stepping stone, pretty soon you'll have been on so many stones and look back without a dollar in your pocket, but lots of time in the books, and little respect for yourself!!! The people who defend that pay scale are as bad as the guys and girls who are willing to work for nothing in return.

Sometimes i think these people would finally only accept a decent wage once they're capt. on a 747 or A380, until they hit that they'd step on everyone in they're way and degrade the profession along the way.

sudzy · Post by **sudzy** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 9:46 am

Exactly. I have self respect and dignity. I refused to be treated like that. Everyone at Navair is bringing down the industry. Well said canoe. I especially love how all the pilots there wear their oil and gas soaked coveralls to the Beaver and drink their faces off in front of everyone, including you Premium. Not very professional at all. Don't think for a second other people in the industry can't see you. God bless.

b007 · Post by **b007** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:27 am

Why so bitter towards Nav Air? Guess hard work’s not your cup of tea!?!? $14,400 a year as a FO on a Navajo that’s pretty good in my book what do you expect? I guess you expect 250h wonders to be making Air Canada wages? What would you have FO on a Navajo get paid? I’d love to hear this! Not trying to be mean every one entitled to their opinions! If you don’t like the work or the pay then go some were else! At least they give low time guys a chance to get into the industry! What the hell does self respect have any thing to do with this?

wannabatp · Post by **wannabatp** » Thu Feb 17, 2005 10:55 am

b007 wrote:Why so bitter towards Nav Air? Guess hard work’s not your cup of tea!?!? $14,400 a year as a FO on a Navajo that’s pretty good in my book

You have GOT to be kidding me!

Pretty good in your book? When was your book written? 1930??? 1950??? When was the last time YOU tried to live on that?? Isn't the poverty line in Canada around $16000/yr in Canada?

Hard work isn't the problem. It's what is (rightfully) expected of anyone.

Pay is partly the problem. It's all that hard work with little or no thanks or recognition. Then owners have the nerve to turn around and tell prospective hires "We need bonds, high insurance minimums, PPC's" or other nonsense because there is no loyalty left in the industry.

Well, DUH!

What do you expect?

The owners are right, there is no loyalty left in this industry, only personal integrity. What are YOU willing to put up with to get a start?

Sheesh.

edited for more rant. (sorry)