Hiring

Phlyer · Post by **Phlyer** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 8:29 am

Sorry if this has been covered recently but I can't seem to find any info.
Is AC talking of hiring in the near future? I know the story of layoffs because of the high cost of fuel but that has gone away it seems. I know there are still many retirements happening now and in the next bunch of years.
Thanks in advance.

retired or retarded · Fri Jan 16, 2009 10:34 am

Not to dash any hopes but I would not count on it till well after the contract negotiations are complete. I would imagine not for at least a year or so if not longer.

. . · Post by **. .** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:23 pm

I would imagine the fly to 65 court ruling will have a drastic effect too. Not sure when the results of that are supposed to come out, sometime in the near future I believe.

Embraer190 · Post by **Embraer190** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 1:51 pm

I assume your talking about a pilot positon? Not for a while.

Cat19 · Post by **Cat19** » Fri Jan 16, 2009 9:11 pm

What position are you interested in?

I know they are doing alot of hiring right now in maintenance. Especially in Winnipeg.

pilotbzh · Post by **pilotbzh** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 2:16 am

didn't they layed off all 7 of they deicing guys just before christmass... in ywg... airport will run deicing from now on.... bag boys then marchelors are to folllow I'm told.....as long as airport don't run airlines i'll be fine I guess...

Phlyer · Post by **Phlyer** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 8:52 am

Sorry - should have been more specific - I'm looking for pilot hiring info.
I have my dream job now but it looks like a possible layoff.
Thanks for the responses so far.
Foto

jazzbeat · Post by **jazzbeat** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 11:13 am

My bet: hiring in 2011 and layoffs in 2014

same old.. same old...

Embraer190 · Post by **Embraer190** » Sat Jan 17, 2009 3:27 pm

Fotoflyer wrote:Sorry - should have been more specific - I'm looking for pilot hiring info.
I have my dream job now but it looks like a possible layoff.
Thanks for the responses so far.
Foto

Jazz is now hiring if you're interested. So is Westjet.

becks · Post by **becks** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 4:31 pm

All right so question for those experienced guys. I was fortunate to get the competitive candidate letter way back in March. Then got a letter in June about fuel costs etc. and no more hiring. JJ was helpful with questions but still can't help but feel like I'm in limbo. Is there any guarantee that I'll get the call when hiring resumes? (Yes I know probably not till 2011) Anyone else out there had this happen last round and did you get the call when the hiring started? And lastly, how does a guy stay patient when he sees his dream job so close then have it snatched at the last second?

becks

retired or retarded · Post by **retired or retarded** » Tue Jan 20, 2009 6:08 pm

I would imagine it will start where they left off with the hiring pool when ever they get going again. Hopefully not as long as one might think, but there are a lot of factors in play. I do not imagine that you would have to interview again but if it is years from now who knows, maybe they will want to get an updated look at everyone.

. . · Post by **. .** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:44 am

Becks: I think in the past, if it's been a few years they restart the hiring process fresh. Someone from the pool could have shown up to work drunk, or had multiple violations in the preceding years. If they just began hiring from the pool again, they might unwittingly hire someone who is no longer the ideal candidate.

That said, all is not lost. I know of some people who were in the 2001 (i think) pool when hiring slammed shut. The pool was eliminated, and they were left to start fresh. One of the people actually went into the AC hiring people and explained her situation. They ended up giving her an interview, and she was hired in one of the classes in 2005.

So..... If I was you I'd perhaps try to stay in contact seasonly. Just make sure they don't forget who you are. It's a fine line between bugging them though. You don't want them to remember you as that a-hole that wouldn't leave us alone. Anyway, I truly feel for your situation, and hope everything works out in the end!

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:15 am

Becks: A good buddy of mine was at Jazz when he had his interview/medical at mainline and was hired and given a course date. The hiring ceased and he continued at Jazz until hiring resumed in 2005. He was one of the first called back for a subsequent interview and medical and was in one of the first classes in the hiring spree, plus he got to carry more years of seniority over to mainline from the connectors. In the big picture it probably was the best thing that could have happened to him as he got to stay senior at his old job and then got in at the beginning of the next hiring wave. Stay positive man, good things do happen.

Phlyer · Post by **Phlyer** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:19 am

yycflyguy wrote:...plus he got to carry more years of seniority over to mainline from the connectors.

I thought you started at the bottom again when you went from Jazz to Mainline?
Or did you mean that he had a higher number than the others because he got in before them?

groundtoflightdeck · Post by **groundtoflightdeck** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 1:40 pm

I am in the same situation, although my job now is very good so I can afford to be patient. From the correspondence I had with them... i)They look at the short listed candidates from the last hiring season when hiring resumes ii)These candidates will have to account for what has happened between then and now (ie/ showed up for work drunk, sat and rotted at a job upgraded to bigger equipment or left seat etc) iii) If there are new recruitment tools we may have to complete them (Ie Sim evals come back).

As everyone has said the contract has to be ratified and then they need to go through the retirments and reexpansion before hiring will start. Enjoy your career in the meantime and remember that you have, at the very least, a good foot in the door.

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:39 pm

Fotoflyer wrote:
yycflyguy wrote:...plus he got to carry more years of seniority over to mainline from the connectors.
I thought you started at the bottom again when you went from Jazz to Mainline?
Or did you mean that he had a higher number than the others because he got in before them?

No. I meant he got credit for his additional years at Jazz before his course date with mainline. Jazz hires got to carry over up to a maximum of 7 service years. His seniority number is essentially the same as mine but he is on a year 10 pay scale now while I am on 4.

Phlyer · Post by **Phlyer** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 2:59 pm

yycflyguy wrote:
Fotoflyer wrote:
yycflyguy wrote:...plus he got to carry more years of seniority over to mainline from the connectors.
I thought you started at the bottom again when you went from Jazz to Mainline?
Or did you mean that he had a higher number than the others because he got in before them?
No. I meant he got credit for his additional years at Jazz before his course date with mainline. Jazz hires got to carry over up to a maximum of 7 service years. His seniority number is essentially the same as mine but he is on a year 10 pay scale now while I am on 4.

No kidding. I did not know that - I thought Jazz guys came in at zero. Is this still true or did that change as well?

Martin Tamme · Post by **Martin Tamme** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:03 pm

One of my friends was interviewed in 2001, and placed in the hiring pool. He was subsequently selected on the first course when hiring resumed (July 2005). No additional interviews, but he had to go through another medical.

The max years of service a Jazz pilot can bring over is 6... 4 from LOU 18 and 2 from the freeze. LOU 18 still applies as long as the current Collective Agreement remains in force.

yycflyguy · Post by **yycflyguy** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 3:46 pm

Martin Tamme wrote:One of my friends was interviewed in 2001, and placed in the hiring pool. He was subsequently selected on the first course when hiring resumed (July 2005). No additional interviews, but he had to go through another medical.

The max years of service a Jazz pilot can bring over is 6... 4 from LOU 18 and 2 from the freeze. LOU 18 still applies as long as the current Collective Agreement remains in force.

I was off by a year... my bad. I am a OTS boy so I am not super familiar with LOU 18. Something that I never considered is if LOU 18 is kyboshed in the next CA will that mean all the connector pilots that benefitted by it will return to a Years of Service pay rate? That would be a huge pay cut for alot of members. I suspect that RM et al will ask for all that money back too!

. . · Post by **. .** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 5:03 pm

yycflyguy wrote:
Martin Tamme wrote:One of my friends was interviewed in 2001, and placed in the hiring pool. He was subsequently selected on the first course when hiring resumed (July 2005). No additional interviews, but he had to go through another medical.

The max years of service a Jazz pilot can bring over is 6... 4 from LOU 18 and 2 from the freeze. LOU 18 still applies as long as the current Collective Agreement remains in force.
I was off by a year... my bad. I am a OTS boy so I am not super familiar with LOU 18. Something that I never considered is if LOU 18 is kyboshed in the next CA will that mean all the connector pilots that benefitted by it will return to a Years of Service pay rate? That would be a huge pay cut for alot of members. I suspect that RM et al will ask for all that money back too!

yyc: Anything negotiated will be active from the new date forward. It would be like a wage increase, you don't get it retroactively for your whole time at AC in a lump sum cheque.

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 7:48 pm

daveg wrote:You know, I for one can't under stady why any of you would willing want to work for AC. It's like winning a trip on the TITANIC....and being happy with it. I'm sorry, I just don't get it. Are you that desperate........

Four1oh, flightlevels et al,

Is this guy really one of yours?

Four1oh · Post by **Four1oh** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:28 pm

Is Rebel really one of yours?

touche! For all I know it's just Blastor attempting typing instead of bolding...

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:32 pm

Sorry guys
Not cool when you consider the families that have been affected with previous layoffs and or potential ones. You never know when it could be our turn.

Brick Head · Post by **Brick Head** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 8:41 pm

Actually,

I got a chuckle out of your response.

If Blastor is one of ours, and I figure out who he is, I'll tip off AC medical.

You figure out who dave p is and you take him down.

Deal?

Flightlevels · Post by **Flightlevels** » Wed Jan 21, 2009 9:00 pm

you mean Daveg not p = too many dave's

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