Voyager off the runway in YYB?

[Cat Driver]

Did this actually happen or is it just a rumor?

[Widow]

CADORS Number: 2009O0168 Reporting Region: Ontario

Occurrence InformationOccurrence Type: Incident Occurrence Date: 2009/01/23
Occurrence Time: 2331 Z Day Or Night: night-time
Fatalities: 0 Injuries: 0

Canadian Aerodrome ID: CYYB Aerodrome Name: North Bay
Occurrence Location: North Bay (CYYB) Province: Ontario
Country: CANADA World Area: North America

Reported By: NAV CANADA AOR Number: 103817-V1
TSB Class Of Investigation: TSB Occurrence No.:
Event InformationAerodrome or runway shutdown
Aerodrome - service/site/facility cutback
Landing gear
Other operational incident
Aircraft InformationFlight #: VAL602
Aircraft Category: Aeroplane Country of Registration: CANADA
Make: BOMBARDIER Model: CL600 2B19 (RJ100)
Year Built: 1999 Amateur Built: No
Engine Make: GENERAL ELECTRIC Engine Model: CF34-3B1
Engine Type: Turbo fan Gear Type: Land
Phase of Flight: Roll Out Damage: Unknown
Owner: VOYAGEUR AIRWAYS LIMITED Operator: VOYAGEUR AIRWAYS LIMITED (2473)
Operator Type: Commercial

Detail InformationUser Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2009/01/26
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: Commercial & Business Aviation
Narrative: The Voyageur Airways Limited Bombardier CL-600-2B19 (RJ100) Regional Jet aircraft (operating as flight VAL602) had landed after an IFR flight from Goderich Airport (CYGD) to North Bay Airport (CYYB). The flight crew advised North Bay F.S.S. staff that the aircraft's nosewheel steering had malfunctioned and they were unable to taxi. Runway 08/26 was closed by NOTAM. Ops. impact -- unknown.

User Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2009/01/26
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Commercial & Business Aviation
Narrative: UPDATE Supplemental information received from North Bay (Jack Garland) Airport Corporation [2009/01/26]: The aircraft registration (C-FWWU) was provided. It was reported that the aircraft landed on runway 08 at approximately 2331Z. The aircraft went off the side of the runway approximately 30 feet past the runway edge lights, approximately 200 feet short of taxiway ECHO. There were no injuries. A NOTAM was issued to close runway 08/26 at approximately 2335Z. Minor snow removal was carried out and the aircraft was removed from the side of the runway by Voyageur Airways technicians at approximately 0130Z (+1). A runway report and check was carried out and the runway was re-opened. Ops. impact -- unknown.

[Cat Driver]

The flight crew advised North Bay F.S.S. staff that the aircraft's nosewheel steering had malfunctioned and they were unable to taxi. Runway 08/26 was closed by NOTAM. Ops. impact -- unknown.

Sometimes reading these CADORS it is a little difficult to figure out exactly what happened. Obviously they lost their nose wheel steering during the landing.

[jjj]

Donald,

are you asking to be the next whipping boy around here?

[sky's the limit]

Shhh! Don't tell WJ, they'll probably implement that to save $$ (and lower the bar) too!

X2

[Doc]

That's how this works. An airplane takes the scenic route. We poke fun at it. We find out there was a valid reason.....all is well. If no valid reason surfaces after a couple of days (usually much faster) we can assume it just may have been a boo boo.

There's a lesson here. Pesky nose wheel steering!

[Cat Driver]

Obviously there are a lot of pilots on this forum who don't read theTC Aviation Safety Letter.

Right on the bottom of the front page you will find this.

" Learn from the mistakes of others; you'll not live long enough to make them all yourself. "

But for some reason there is a segment of aviation here in Canada who can not be discussed, it is O.K. to question a crew flying for a mom and pop operation but we dare not discuss the " special " ones.

[raven54]

So you're saying this incident may not have to do with the training bond? Gee...strange.

[The Hammer]

Did the N.W.S. fail before or after the excursion???
I would be surprised if it worked properly after the excursion but will we ever know if it really failed before it???

[FamilyGuy]

This just in from a un named Minister of Transport rep on the recent spate of landing incidents at YYB.

"The ministry of Transport is studying the North Bay situation carefully. We have assigned a special TSB investigation team to try an determine if there are any causal factors similar to the most recent events. While we will wait for the investigation to be completed before acting on any recomendations, it is true the Ministry of Transport has undertaken independant studies to determine if shortening the pavement (runway I think he meant) could improve the situation there. We are in close consultation with the Town of North Bay and the operators of the airport as there are significicant savings to be realized by less maintenance, if the current regulations indeed will permit such a solution.



Kidding of course but it wouldn't surprise me at all......

[Cat Driver]

I'm submitting a new pilot proof run way design to the airport authorities that will solve these excursions.

The runway is dished and lubricated so when an airplane lands on it gravity will make sure the airplane stays in the bottom of the dished runway...sort of like a big pipe cut in half lengthwise. To stop the machine there is a device that grabs the landing gear and brings it to a gentle stop. It is also ten miles long.

It is not fool proof but will work for the pilots who can hit the runway during the approach and touch down.....

...I haven't figured out anything for the off airport landings yet.

[Doc]

Actually there are plans to resurface the runway at North Bay with a new space age coating called, "Sure Stop". The product, brought to us by Dow Chemical Ltd, developed by the same folks who brought us breast implants, is said to resemble a "cat's tongue" in texture. Reports say.."This new surface should help all but the most ham fisted of pilots from going off the runway....." The report goes on to say...|"The surface is also ideal for scraping one's will nots, or butt worms from one's lower regions......."

[The Orillia kid]

hehe good one Doc...

anyone see the ad advertising for CRJ captains?
look what happens when you go off the side ehh!!!
someone got the can!!!

[F/O Crunch]

Ladies and Gentlemen, The Orillia Kid... He'll be here all week.

[KenoraPilot]

Act of God, zero damage on the A/C!

[Aeros]

Did the N.W.S. fail before or after the excursion???
I would be surprised if it worked properly after the excursion but will we ever know if it really failed before it???

According to the info in the CADORS it looked like it failed before the excursion.

User Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2009/01/26
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: Commercial & Business Aviation
Narrative: The Voyageur Airways Limited Bombardier CL-600-2B19 (RJ100) Regional Jet aircraft (operating as flight VAL602) had landed after an IFR flight from Goderich Airport (CYGD) to North Bay Airport (CYYB). The flight crew advised North Bay F.S.S. staff that the aircraft's nosewheel steering had malfunctioned and they were unable to taxi. Runway 08/26 was closed by NOTAM. Ops. impact -- unknown.

User Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2009/01/26
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: Commercial & Business Aviation
Narrative: UPDATE Supplemental information received from North Bay (Jack Garland) Airport Corporation [2009/01/26]: The aircraft registration (C-FWWU) was provided. It was reported that the aircraft landed on runway 08 at approximately 2331Z. The aircraft went off the side of the runway approximately 30 feet past the runway edge lights, approximately 200 feet short of taxiway ECHO. There were no injuries. A NOTAM was issued to close runway 08/26 at approximately 2335Z. Minor snow removal was carried out and the aircraft was removed from the side of the runway by Voyageur Airways technicians at approximately 0130Z (+1). A runway report and check was carried out and the runway was re-opened. Ops. impact -- unknown.

User Name: Donaldson, John
Date: 2009/01/28
Further Action Required: Yes
O.P.I.: Commercial & Business Aviation
Narrative: UPDATE Supplemental information received from T.S.B. Initial Notification [#A09O0022]: The Voyageur Airways Bombardier Regional Jet (C-FWWU) was being ferried from Goderich to North Bay. On approach to North Bay, an EICAS message "STEERING INOP" was displayed when the landing gear was selected down. The nose wheel steering was recycled following the QRH procedure and the message extinguished. During the landing roll, the "STEERING INOP" message was again displayed on the EICAS and the flight crew were unable to prevent the aircraft from drifting off of the side of the runway. There were no injuries and no damage.

[Brown Bear]

[quote="Aeros"]

According to the info in the CADORS it looked like it failed before the excursion.
[quote]

That sure as Hell would be my story.....and I'm sticking to it!

[broompusher]

That sure as Hell would be my story.....and I'm sticking to it!

All maint. has to do is look in the aircraft's computer to see when it failed so there isn't any point in lying about it.