ATPL waivers?

[dxpr]

I'm curious to hear if anyone has ever applied for a waiver for some of the ATPL requirements.

ie. The 100 night PIC, or the total time because of aircraft types etc...

What was the process?

PM me with the details.

[flying4dollars]

I'm curious to hear if anyone has ever applied for a waiver for some of the ATPL requirements.

ie. The 100 night PIC, or the total time because of aircraft types etc...

What was the process?

PM me with the details.

waiver?

[roger.roger]

this licence isn't easy enough to obtain???? now they ave waivers????

[Cat Driver]

dxpr, the question begs a question.

What would be the reason one would ask for a wavier?

[gianthammer]

I thought all the CPL's flying around these past few years were entitled to everything they want just for sitting in the right seat of God knows what!!! The unfortunate part of this slow down for "those types" that feel they are entitled to everything that is out there is that they may now have to work for what they want

[Flybaby]

(6) Restricted Licence - Aerial Work Only

(a) Where an applicant has not completed the instrument flight time requirement or the night flight time requirement, the licence shall be issued restricted to aerial work only and the total dual and solo flight time requirements for the issue of the licence shall be met.

(b) Where an applicant completes the instrument flight time and night flight time requirements, the restriction shall be removed.

There's your ATPL waiver.

[lostinthebattle]

Oops

[dxpr]

Cat Driver, the reason I'm asking is because I've hard of people getting waivers for different things....

All my time is right seat on 2 types over 12,500, so I don't have hardly any of the night pic required.

I'm just trying to find a way to avoid having to shell out $$$ to rent a 152 and fly around at night.

gianthammer: piss off buddy, do you think I got to where I am without working hard? Do you think you're the only one who had a tough road? Quit your whining. The reason I'm asking the question is because the rules in Canada are ridiculous. eg. a guy who has 1500 hrs command in the circuit (you maybe?) is more qualified for an ATPL than I am.

[altiplano]

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[Tim]

if your company has the supervised pilot in command program you are allowed to log PIC time under supervision.

421.11
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regse ... htm#421_11

[Cat Driver]

The reason I'm asking the question is because the rules in Canada are ridiculous. eg. a guy who has 1500 hrs command in the circuit (you maybe?) is more qualified for an ATPL than I am.

dxpr thanks for answering, I tend to agree that the rules are to rigid and there should be some room for deciding what is needed.

In a case such as yours the 100 hours night time in a small bug smasher will not make you that much better as a pilot.....it will put you at risk of dying if you should have an engine failure in a single engine at night though.

What I can't figure out is how TC will allow you to fly in cloud with an instrument rating but if you don't have 100 hours flying in the dark you can't get a ATPL.

But I am sure someone will explain it to us.

[Flybaby]

I do admit that letting a 1500 hour instructor get his ATPL before someone with real world experience is bullshit, but there is something to be said for command time. You should not be able to get your AA's without ever having to make a major decision in your life. Even the small decisions are important experience in your career.

[Vortex_driver]

dxpr, I get your point 100%!

like Tim said above, you can get some time done as PIC Under Suppervision, if your company is approved and if your CP approves it for you. The requirement is not 100PIC Cross Country at night, it is only 25PIC at night and you can do the 75 as copilot which you probably have already. So, if you get approved for PIC U/S, you'll have to do 50hrs at night cross country under suppervision (because you have to do twice as much just like copilot time) and of course 75hrs copilot at night cross country, to meet the 100h night requirement.

You don't need any special PPC (or a left seat check) as long as you can do everything from the right seat except taxing the plane. check in the CARs for all the exact requirement, but if your aircraft is over 12500, usually you should be alright...

like cat said, it is totally stupid to think that flying 25hrs at night, on a clear night, in a populated area, in a 152, will help you become a better pilot, when you have probably over 2500hrs and have shot so many approches in half mile vis at night in a mid-size turbo prop! I think you know what your doing by now!

[rightseatwonder]

its a hoop many of us have had to jump through. For example, lots of guys who come off floats to IFR flying get stuck in the same boat... how do you get night PIC time when you have to be co-joe to start out in an IFR outfit? The PIC under supervision program was designed for this I believe and although the 2 for 1 hrs thing is a bitter pill to swallow... any and all flying will hopefully garner you more experience to draw on when you really need it.

Relax, sit rightseat in the dark for a few months and you'll soon have your 2 "A"s beside your number (as long as you hve the 25 night x-cross PIC ). You got in this game to fly airplanes didn't you? Once you are left seat again, you will wistfully remember the times when the 3 bars stood for... not my fault!

lol.

cheers and good luck.

[Hedley]

I think it's funny as hell, when the "cinderalla stories", who
got into the right seat of a turbine twin at 200 hrs, complain
about how things are working out for them

Hey, the requirements are the requirements. If you don't
want to meet them, you don't need to bother getting your
ATPL.

For example, last fall I renewed my class 1 instructor rating
via a refresher course. It was well worth it. But Transport
said that the course wouldn't renew my class 1 aerobatic
instructor rating, because "there was some doubt about
my ability to perform aerobatic maneuvers".

What the f_ck?! I probably fly more surface level aerobatics
than anyone else in Canada. I have a current SFOC. Last
year alone, I did FIVE different low-altitude evaluations on
FIVE DIFFERENT AIRCRAFT TYPES for my ICAS (airshow pilot
Statement of Aerobatic Competency) card, which I am sure
is more than any other pilot in Canada.

But hey, the requirements are the requirements, so I
have to do a ride to renew my class one aerobatic
instructor rating. But you don't hear me bitching about
having to meet the legal requirements, do you? If
I don't want to do the ride, I don't get my class one
aerobatic instructor rating renewed, and that's just
the way it is.

I would be really, really happy if all the government
wanted was for me to meet the legal requirements

[dxpr]

altiplano: I would love to have had a job where I could have had some PIC, but it just didn't work out that way. Now I'm at my career job, and I don't want to leave to get some PIC, cause they won't let me come back!

Cat Driver: Thanks for your input. Your insight into how TC works is always right on.

Flybaby: You are so right, making good decisions come from experience.

a) If you knew me you would know, I've made plenty of big ones, and made my share of mistakes.

b) After seeing some of the poor decisions I see my skippers making now.... but such is the biz.

Vortex_driver: Thanks a million! We do have the pic under supervision provision, and by the looks of my logbook, I'm closer than I thought I was! This was exactly the input I was looking for.

Hedley: Wow... Did you go to Top Gun school?



Thanks for your input everyone!

Vortex_driver answered my question.

As always AvCanda forums didn't disappoint! Some of it good, some of it great, and some f-tards just yapping their mouths off without knowing the whole story.

Subject closed!

[Cat Driver]

dxpr as you go through the journey that is known as life you will have many roads to travel only you can choose the the route on your journey.

If you are myopic and a follower you will see nothing wrong with meek acceptance of this attitude.

its a hoop many of us have had to jump through.

However should you have been fortunate enough to have had been born with normal intelligence you will be insulted at being compared to a trained circus animal.

Give me a thinking pilot anytime, one who can question the why's of things rather than a follower.

Cat Driver: Thanks for your input. Your insight into how TC works is always right on.

Actually it is not to difficult to figure out how the system works.....just read Avcanada and examine how those who are from TC answer questions.

Almost every time they cut and paste the rules...sort of like a Pavlo's dogs syndrome.

[Vortex_driver]

dxpr, no problem budy!!!! glad i could help, that's why this forum is for!

[Just One]

I appreciated seeing this question asked. Unfortunate that so many have to chime in with the negative.

[Tim]

I appreciated seeing this question asked. Unfortunate that so many have to chime in with the negative.

or the useless:

I appreciated seeing this question asked. Unfortunate that so many have to chime in with the negative.