Colleges In Ontario

[mikesxr]

This is my first post here and was wondering if anyone in here could help me out. I have applied to Centennial, Conestoga, Sault, Confederation and Algonquin College to get my Commercial Pilots License. I live in Toronto so i would prefer to go to Centennial, Has any been to Centennial college for there professional pilot training and was it any good. I do not have the greatest marks right now (mid 60's), but the courses i am using to apply with i am taking next semester and i plan to do much better. What kind of marks will i need for them to accept me?

Thanks Mike

[Grey_Wolf]

Well Mike, from your post it seems that your finishing up high school. Your guidance counseller should have information on the college courses that your looking for. Each school should have its own minimum criteria for acceptance. Some only accept student that "make the grade" will others are associated with a Flight Training Unit (Flight School). While others are willing to accept you as long as you can pay for the training. Another thing is to search each college's website/program outline and see from there. All the best in your search.

http://db2.centennialcollege.ca/ft/FMPr ... +Code=8111

http://www.conestogac.on.ca/fulltime/pr ... 589&v=0901
http://www.wwflightcentre.com/

http://www.confederationc.on.ca/flight-mgmt/general.asp

http://www.saultc.on.ca/Programs/Progra ... groupc=AVI

http://extraweb.algonquincollege.com/fu ... 0438K01FWO&

That should get you started ...

[SuperchargedRS]

Beware of confed!

[Adam Oke]

Don't forget to think about just doing private training at your local FTU. It may appear to cost "more" ... but you can get your license in 1/4 or 1/3 of the time that some of those schools put you through for. Take res, food, books, uniforms, any other bill you can think of ... it all adds up and nearly equals the amount it would cost to stay at home and finish a CPL in a fraction of the time at your local FTU. Do your self a favour and do your homework. Search the forum because this topic has been beat to death. Search each college name separate. Seach college vs private ... search anything. But this has all been tackled previous.

If the big RESP question pops up, you CAN use them at private FTU's. There is a little bit of leg work if the private FTU doesn't have that piece of paper stating it is a certified post secondary unit... but it can get done in a couple months of waiting after the application.

Beware of confed!

Why?

Confed has been one of the most recommended. The least amount of money, the shortest amount of bullshit, and one of the most efficient.

[mattedfred]

if i didn't want to fly for AC i would go to trade school and complete my CPL etc at a private flying club while living at home with mom & dad

the only thing to be aware of at confed, seneca or sault is that everyone that starts the program will not finish it no matter what they tell you

[AUGER9]

Don't pay attention to SuperCharged, he's just a troll.

[SuperchargedRS]

Don't pay attention to SuperCharged, he's just a troll.

Does somebody need a hug?


*Also I second the private FBO route, more tailored training = better training, if you want airlines online degree + private FBO.

"One thing that I think allot of people should know about confed but most dont is this.

ONE the fail out rate for the FIRST SEMESTER is about 1/3 (which is ridiculous)

In that semester you will have a substantial amount of money out of pocket, allot of it is ancillary stuff, residence (as almost everyone stays in res), food plan (which is over priced and you HAVE to have it if you stay in res), books, etc...oh yea and tuition, so it's a pretty penny. Also you only get about 15 hrs that semester, so hr to $ is high, fail out rate high. I think with the middle meal plan and single res and whatnot is was just under 10k so that's like $667 bucks to the college per hour for you (if that makes sense)
.
TWO Now if you get the boot, they will NOT refund the remainder of your residence or meal plan, hence most of the kids end up getting pushed to another program, this to me seems a little off.

THREE All of your grades will be decided by two tests at the end of the semester, both of these tests are worth the majority of your grade, most people find them harder then the majority of the classes, these tests dictate who stays and goes, you never get these tests back to see what you did on them, just a little note as to if your going to stay or not.
Another thing is that the dean of the flight program is not a pilot, his background is in MARKETING, yup marketing (he is responsible for allot of the articles you see online about people going right into the major airlines from college)

FOUR Now here is the thing, going to confed is a dice roll, the college does not have the resources to bring all the kids though first semester, so you have a 33% chance of loosing allot of money w/ only 15hrs to show for it, now if you make it past that...you will save some $$ from doing it privately... if you have the money do it privately, the degree is BS, if you really have a hard on for a degree just get one online or something."

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=39491&start=75

If you can swing it fininancaly I would do it privatly w/ a FBO, more taylored training towards when/what you want to fly,

[djsamphard]

Anyone know how much centennial college charges for their pro pilot program?

[Embraer190]

I do not have the greatest marks right now (mid 60's), but the courses i am using to apply with i am taking next semester and i plan to do much better. What kind of marks will i need for them to accept me?

Thanks Mike

Because aviation programs are pretty competitive I would say between 70-75% AT LEAST.

[fingersmac]

I second that SuperchargedBS is a troll. It's just his jaded perspective of how he thinks the college works. Once again, the college has access to funding for every student enrolled as long as they pass the requirements for each semester. 70% in aviation courses and 60% in non-aviation courses. Hardly a difficult task seeing as there are plenty of options for extra help and that most of courses relatively easy when an effort is made. This year saw an enormous amount of students continue on into the second semester.


Confederation College is not only a fantastic program but it can be one of the least expensive ways in Canada to get your CPL.

[. ._]

After much research, I found Confed is the cheapest CPL with float rating in Canada.

Sault is the cheapest Multi-IFR.

-istp

[mattedfred]

maybe i'm speaking out of turn but why would anyone attend one of the non-subsidized flight colleges in ontario if they were accepted to confed, sault or seneca?

if i didn't get into confed, sault or seneca i would pursue a non-aviation related post secondary education while completing my flight training at a flying club

paying for an aviation course at centennial plus their flight training seems like a waste of time and money to me

am i out of touch?

[SuperchargedRS]

BEWARE of confed....says the troll w/ most of his FBO cpl hours on a float plane now

[AUGER9]

maybe i'm speaking out of turn but why would anyone attend one of the non-subsidized flight colleges in ontario if they were accepted to confed, sault or seneca?

if i didn't get into confed, sault or seneca i would pursue a non-aviation related post secondary education while completing my flight training at a flying club

paying for an aviation course at centennial plus their flight training seems like a waste of time and money to me

am i out of touch?

Most, including myself, will agree with you 100%.

[mikesxr]

does any body have more info on centennial college i would like so stay at home so the price is cheaper the rest of them are min of 5 hours away. I think centennial was about 38000$ but its a one year program. I read it over many times and know alot of about the program i was just wondering if anyone took it and what there opinion is. There are alot of reviews about confederation, sault and Seneca but none for centennial.

thanks mike

sorry for the late reply i thought it would send me a message to my email if there was a response.

[mcconnell14]

does any body have more info on centennial college i would like so stay at home so the price is cheaper the rest of them are min of 5 hours away. I think centennial was about 38000$ but its a one year program. I read it over many times and know alot of about the program i was just wondering if anyone took it and what there opinion is. There are alot of reviews about confederation, sault and Seneca but none for centennial.

thanks mike

sorry for the late reply i thought it would send me a message to my email if there was a response.

i emailed centential..the person emial me back with (and nothin more) :

James Passant
Professor/Co-ordinator Avionics/Pilot Program
School of Transportation
Phone number: 416-289-5000, ext 7510
jpassant@centennialcollege.ca

call them..ask lots of questions...its your career and a big investment....ask yourself things like - do i really need to stay home? what if you get accepted into confed or the sault?.- its probably just as cheap or cheaper than goin to confed- plus you get the "real" college experiance plus a diploma. (big plus for alot of people- some don't care )

[mikesxr]

yeah i emailed them last month and got that message back. then i emailed that guy was a few questions he finally gave me an email back with like 4 words in it. I phoned centennial and they told me to phone a girl name Sylvia she is in charge of the whole program. Phone at least 2 times a day for a 2 weeks hasn't answered her phone. so far just there customer service is making me not want to go there.

[Dakota]

Confed has a fantastic program and whoever says otherwise has no clue. They unfortunatley do not offer Multi/IFR as they are geared towards the 'bush-pilot' side of aviation.

The attrition rate (toss out rate is quite high) for Seneca, SS Marie, Thunder Bay's Confed, ect. is about 40%.
Failing grades, disciplinary issues and such can cause one to be terminated and you won't be able to apply to any others on the list. Your option from here would be to continue at private facilty.

Be aware that not all flight schools in Ontario can offer CPL (vocational training) licences. As of 2008 all schools in 'Ontario' who wish to train vocational CPL candidates must be registered with the Ministry of Education/ Colleges and Universities. Most FTU's (Flight Training Units), if not all, (if not registered) can continue to train (RPP) recreational pilot permits and (PPL) private pilot licence.

The point is if you wish to carry on to CPL then inquire if the school is registered and able to provide both the PPL and the advanced training required for the CPL.

Best of luck!

[mcconnell14]

yeah i emailed them last month and got that message back. then i emailed that guy was a few questions he finally gave me an email back with like 4 words in it. I phoned centennial and they told me to phone a girl name Sylvia she is in charge of the whole program. Phone at least 2 times a day for a 2 weeks hasn't answered her phone. so far just there customer service is making me not want to go there.

well i definitly would not be splashing 50 K on that school then (my opinion) ..think about it, sounds like the program is coodinated by some none aviation pilot/ or expert. I would chose a different school if i were you.
i've gotten the same customer service as you..well i stopped calling after a few trys of not getting any of my questions answered. a school like that only cares about your money and that your enrolled there, a good college will answer your questions without fuss...
for example when i called algonquin college I left a message for the program coodrinater (Bruce Dwyer) (I suggest you call him mikesxr you'll learn alot not just about there program flight training in genral. garunteed .) , he returned my long distance call a few hours later, we had a good chat for well over 45 mins. answered ALL my questions and he told me everything i wanted to know and plus some ofther stuff i "should know" Bruce is a real program coodrinater, he said thats hes very close to the coordinater at Seneca, and He was frank with me, he said Senca college flight program is the most regarded my AC. Everytime i Contacted him (email or phone) hes answer all my questions, he sent me this like 10 page information package about there program. everything bruce told me i could believe, he backed his stuff up with example from live experiances. He said about 5 of his 2nd year students are already working as instructors at the OFC because of the shortage of instructors right now.

i guess it depends if you wanna move away from mom and dad or not? to me centtinial college is stupid a college certificate? if your not interested or dont' care for a college diploma goto a local flying centre and get it done save yourself the tuiton costs..cuz honsetly I dont think (again my opinion) a certificate from some college is any better than the local flying centre direction.

[dt1019]

I agree with mcconnell14. Sounds like they're just after your money. I applied to their program last year but didn't go there. Their website is not informative at all and the details of the program were basically a total mystery. I thought if I apply and get in, they would start giving me the details and information I need. I expected to see information packages and stuff when I got the offer of admission but I only received two pieces of paper in the mail. The first one congratuated me and reminded me of the tuition payment deadline. The second page was a page outlining the cost of the entire program in 3 phases and a list of additional costs not covered by tuition. As an applicant maybe I should've put more effort into contacting them and getting the information but this was still pretty ridiculous.

The qualification you get from Centennial is just a certificate anyway, not a college diploma. Also, Durham flight centre does the flight training for the centennial program so going for this program probably means you'll have to travel back and forth between Toronto and Oshawa.

Anyways, I would think more about this. Good luck!!!

[mikesxr]

the main reason why i would to centennial is so i could live at home and keep the cost down. I just got accepted in Conestoga which fly's from the Waterloo-Wellington flight center. This one is 2 years and you get your general arts and science diploma with it. Centennial only wants 40$ while Conestoga wants 60,000 plus i would need to find a cheap apartment or somewhere to live.

[dt1019]

I think you should talk to your parents about it if they're the ones paying for your tuition, flight training costs, travelling home on weekends (if for example you choose Conestoga), etc. Also ask yourself whether what you want. Do you want a college diploma and your licenses? A certificate and your licenses? If all you want to do is fly then I suggest just going to a local flight centre and learn to fly. In my opinion, the people at Centennial doesn't seem to know what they're doing. They pass the students on to Durham flight centre for all the training anyway. If you're want to do a one year program, why not do a professional pilot program at a local flight school.

I don't know how good these accelerated pilot programs are but here are a few links for you to explore.

Brampton Flight Centre (college?) where you supposedly get a "diploma"
http://www.bramfly.ca/5_college_1.html

Toronto Airways
http://training.torontoairways.com/ft-p ... arkham.php

Toronto Airways + Seneca College (part-time aviation certificate)
https://www.senecac.on.ca/parttime/prog ... ation.html

[Dakota]

Mike try this..
Aviation International
1 800-599-7539
Guelph, Ontario
A registered College and you can live at home possibly.
Speak to Adele Fogle, President or Scott Peters CFI/ Class I/ DFTE.
Say Dan A. referred you from AvCanada. Come out for a tour. If you select AVI and sign up I'll get you a free intro flight.

[mikesxr]

Thank you very much everyone for all your help. I thought about going with the Brampton if i dont get into confederation or sault. Those would be my first two choices because i have read on here that the pricing is much cheaper. One question i have though, in a career like this how important is it to have diploma or degree or is it mostly based on hours when apply for a job.

[dt1019]

Hours matter most no matter what. Then later on in your career (say if you want to apply to Air Canada) then a degree or diploma would be a good asset to have. Until then, no one would really care whether you have a degree or diploma as long as you have the hours and experience. But hey post-secondary education will only become more and more common and who knows how the job requirements for a pilot will change in the future. I guess it's always good to have post-secondary education if you are able to dedicate the time and money into it.