New License Update

[Cat Driver]

I take it this expiry date is your medical or PPC?

Without a valid medical you can not legally fly anything.


When a PPC expires your only restriction is you can not fly that airplane for hire.

You can however line up ten different airplanes that your license is valid for and fly them randomly to your hearts content as long as you are not flying them for a company that holds a AOC.

[Hedley]

I filed for the new licence booklet back in September,
still waiting. My address hasn't changed in 10+ years.

If I haven't received the new booklet by the expiration
date of my current licence, I guess I will have to fax a
Request for Review, Request for Stay, and Request for
Disclosure to the Tribunal in respect of the unexplained
revocation by the DOT of my Airline Transport Pilot Licence.

If there are many of us in that boat, perhaps we can
request something like class action status at the Tribunal,
to reduce the number of scheduled hearings?

[Cat Driver]

Hedley has hit the nail right on the head.

In the event a pilot applied for but did not receive their new license format by the expiry time of the license that was legal to fly with for decades they have in fact revoked your license.

Idiots.

[stopsquawk]

Shitty for those who have medicals or rides shortly after the March 31 deadline.

What deadline? The only deadline date I could find is in the circular on the TC website, "Air Traffic Controller and Flight Engineer licences along with Private, Commercial and Airline Transport Pilot Licences in the old format will be replaced by the Aviation Document Booklet by 31 December 2009"

As far as I can tell, there is no "deadline" for application. Anyone have any actual information on this? Please hold back the rumours and heresay.

[Captain X]

http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/gener ... hanges.htm

I see the pushed back the dates for the CPL & ATPL to Dec 31 2009 and everyone else till Dec 2010

[C-GGGQ]

got my new passport in a week and i have no where to be in a hurry. Been waiting close to 4 months for this license though

[bbb]

All of this bull**it about these new *improved* licenses is enough to make you sick. Talk about a total screw-up by TC in getting this set up (never mind the actual license document!).

I called and talked to the local TC person responsible for issuing licenses, as so many people are so confused by what TC has said/has not said. She agreed with me that it was all a mess. They had run out of the new booklet forms for a while over Christmas, and couldn't print any of the ones that they had applications in for. Apparently that is now fixed. However, as she put it, "we have bigger fish to fry", they're having trouble with cheating on the English Language Proficiency testing (this from TC who had said that it was impossible to cheat on this test!) , and are having some other flight training issues.

Long conversation short, don't sweat it. When they are really really really serious about getting everyone switched over, they will send out notices, she said. Your current license DOESN'T EXPIRE. Have a really good look at it---- nowhere is there an expiration date! When do you get a new license right now? When you add a rating, (aircraft type rating, instructor rating, instrument rating) or have a new expiration date for your rating(s). Does this mean that when the date passes that shows on your license for your instrument rating validity passes, that your LICENSE is expired? No, of course not! However, you're going to be hard-pressed to prove that you have a valid rating (unless you carry around the copy of the actual flight test report!) PPC's of course are not printed on your license, so that doesn't have any bearing on "expiry". And, few people are aware of this, but the little card you carry around that has a record of your PPC's on it is not the actual proof of the PPC. The PPC Flight report is - this is why it goes off to TC, and a copy into your training file. The Record of training can be different from each company, and is simply carried for ease of proof.

The NEW IMPROVED booklet however, DOES have an expiration date. So it will need to be renewed before it expires! Again though, your actual license hasn't expired, simply the document that TC issues to PROVE you have the license.

What rubbish! I'd like to see what happens if the inspectors start ramping people and giving them a hassle about not having the new license document. How can they prove that you have an "expired license" when there is no such thing? (CAR's or otherwise?)

Hope this answers some questions.

[mattedfred]

just testing sorry

[vova_k]

Applied on Jan 27, received today (Feb 06). Vancouver area.

[U/S]

I got mine today as well. It took less than two weeks, Pacific Region.

[Cat Driver]

Here is a question:

If you hold an ATPL and let your medical expire and you are over 40 you can still fly with the PPL privileges for another 18 months.

So if you don't apply for the new ATPL licnese and just fly privately you are still legal...right?

[Highsea]

I got mine back in 7 days in the Pacific Region.

[bbb]

Cat - Yup

of course, when they get around to it, PPL holders are going to have to "upgrade" to the new license format as well.

(Although I suspect you already knew this!)

[Lost Lake]

Hey Cat, how come Marlin Preuss and his guys can process the applications so quickly while Ontario region (i.e. head office) takes 5 months. Have fun with answer!!

[Brown Bear]

Anybody got one who has an ATPL yet? Maybe by the fall?

[Cat Driver]

Hey Cat, how come Marlin Preuss and his guys can process the applications so quickly while Ontario region (i.e. head office) takes 5 months. Have fun with answer!!

Ha,Ha, Ha, Ha, good question.

First off my guess is Merlin Preuss couldn't give a @#$! if nothing ever got accomplished in TCCA.

Well maybe I was a bit quick with that statement.

If the cover of the license said.

"" This document has been awarded to " Lost Lake " to allow him to fly in Canada as part of my team that has made Canada the world leader in aviation safety. ""

Then it would have been mailed to you in your last Aviation Safety Letter.

I trust that will satisfy your curiosity Lost Lake, and am pleased you know where to come when you want the low down on how things get done.

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I see the pushed back the dates for the CPL & ATPL to Dec 31 2009 and everyone else till Dec 2010

Good. That should buy me some time to get my Private Pilot license. I write it this week. Wish me luck.