Malibu Jet Prop Info?

[Colibri]

Anyone ever hear what happened with that Malibu (FKKH) that crashed earlier this year near Wainwright? Did the TSB release a report yet?

[Lurch]

I heard the other day that they were 1000lbs overweight, but I take it with a grain of salt because it didn't come from an official source.

But any Malibu with 5 adults onboard has to be overweight.

[Lurch]

Just found the last CADOR and nothing new

User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2008/03/28
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: A corporate Piper PA-46 Turbo Malibu with 5 people on board, was en route IFR from Edmonton City Centre Airport to Winnipeg and northeast of Wainwright at FL 270 when the Edmonton ACC Sector Controller observed the aircraft moving erratically. The Controller queried the pilot who reported a problem with a gyro. The aircraft was then observed in a rapid descent and YEG ACC lost contact with the aircraft. Lloydminster FSS subsequently heard an ELT signal. Two investigators from the Edmonton TSB and local RCMP members are en route to the last known location of the aircraft in the vicinity of the town of Paradise Valley.

User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2008/03/31
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: UPDATE The wreckage of this aircraft was located later in the morning of the 28th by Canadian Forces SAR personnel from CFB Cold Lake. Pieces of the aircraft were found scattered over several kilometres, suggesting an in-flight break-up. All 5 occupants were fatally injured. TSB recovered the aircraft and returned it to their facility in Edmonton. System Safety has appointed a Minister's Observer.

User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2008/04/02
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: UPDATE TSB reported that the private Piper PA46-350P was en route from Edmonton City Centre (CYXD) to Winnipeg Intl (CYWG) on an IFR flight plan. The aircraft was observed on radar to have difficulty maintaining the cleared altitude of FL 270. The pilot reported autopilot and gyro problems, and the aircraft was further observed on radar to change heading and altitude erratically. The radar target was lost, and an ELT signal was received by Lloydminster FSS. TSB investigators were dispatched to the scene.

[robbreid]

FlightAware Thread C-FKKH Piper Malibu 350P missing with 5 onboard...C-FKKH.

[Colibri]

I wouldn't doubt it if they were overweight... I'd witnessed that plane take full fuel and four or five adults in the past.

[rigpiggy]

Who gives a flying rat turd if they were overweight. They had a GYRO PROBLEM, and he lost control. Departure from controlled flight due instrument failure, simple end of story.

[MrWings]

Is a gyro failure a simple end of story?

If it is VMC it shouldn't be.

If you are proficent, it shouldn't be in IMC either.

[_dwj_]

I think the insurance company and the grieving relatives of the passengers will (should) give a flying turd if they were illegally flying significantly overweight. Flying overweight in this plane increases the risk of in-flight breakup, which seems to be what happened. And as others have said, a gyro failure in IMC should never cause a crash in the first place if the pilot is properly trained.

[ditar]

For those interested, I recently contacted the TSB regarding this accident and was told that the investigation is ongoing. The report number they gave me for future reference was A08W0068.

[Strega]

Flying overweight in this plane increases the risk of in-flight breakup,

I cannot dissagree with you, but flying with bugs on the wings/windscree also increases the risk of "in-flight breakup".

Im not sure what design standard the malibu is built to, but I doubt being 1000# or even 1500# overweight would cause any significant structural issues in normal operation.

[MUSKEG]

I think what they are getting at here is this. It appears this aircraft had a gyro failure of some sort which may or may not have caused the aircraft to depart controlled flight. If that aircraft was overgross the stress imposed on the wings on a recovery attempt would create stress on the aircraft that engineering had not calculated, leading possibly to an earlier inflight breakup than if the weight was less.