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[orbit]

Dishonesty is a prerequisite to advancement in TCCA

I think it as a rule!
Eeven though I know of some good people working there::: BUT..it's the old BOYS club......out to lunch!!!!!

It is too bad we as pilots suffer not only the public!

I was once told by a employee working for transport you can't fight transport ! like if if you fight the city you loose...
guess what after my complaint of a atc controller after the fact I got a warning ..saying I wouldn't have otherwise...!!! strange ehhh?
So much for justice...if u complain you will be ridiculed !
So I'm to to concurr with the poster of this link..
REGRETFULLY...the Widow has a POINT big Time as well !!!!!operators hee are still if I can call it cheating and get away with it till someone gets killed again!!!!
again not all in atc are bad most are not,,,,so I believe.....
Safe flying all!

[orbit]

On the previous message pardon the spelling didn't correct it on time...

[2R]

It is not a crime to overtorque or even overtemp a PT6 .It is allowed so long as you are honest about it and let the maintenance guys know about it so they can do a maintenace event and make sure it is safe for the next guy.The moral crime occurs when someone overtorques the engine and says nothing to the next pilot.The next moral offense is when the maintenace knows about it and does not record it or take steps that the engine manufacture recommends to maintain the INTEGRITY of the engine.
Why did i take this as a personal offence,not only because i have time in that VAN ,but i sent out other pilots in a plane i believed at the time to be safe.After i heard about how those assholes at regency where operating the engine i was sickened to know the risk that i had put myself at and other pilots.To know it was a preventable death made it even worse as that young man died because someone lied.
Liars in aviation are dangerous.As my auld granny used to say "You can watch a thief but a liar is harder to catch"

[Chuck Ellsworth]

REGRETFULLY...the Widow has a POINT big Time as well !!!!!operators hee are still if I can call it cheating and get away with it till someone gets killed again!!!!

As I have been suggesting for years, if we want to end this uneven regulation of the 703 / 704 sector of the industry in the Pacific Region we first have to find out who is being payed off in TCCA.

Once dishonesty is identified within the top ranks of a structure such as TCCA it does not take a great leap of logic to wonder who is getting payed off.

[marktheone]

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No one is getting paid off, I am fairly sure of that. They just take the easiest way out of any potential liability situation. It's easier for them if we don't fly. That's all. I wish they would take a bribe.

[Ranjency Dixonator]

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No one is getting paid off, I am fairly sure of that. They just take the easiest way out of any potential liability situation. It's easier for them if we don't fly. That's all. I wish they would take a bribe.

the only ones getting paid off is the big hotel in Tofino who keep promoting these shit companies....

[Chuck Ellsworth]

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No one is getting paid off, I am fairly sure of that. They just take the easiest way out of any potential liability situation. It's easier for them if we don't fly. That's all. I wish they would take a bribe.

I once thought the same thing marktheone until I found out different.

If you want the details we can probably meet in the Flying Beaver this summer when I will be flying in that area.

The real problem that the Minister should address is what the public perception would be in a matter such as this (The receiving of a quid pro quo ) to not see things by a TCCA top manager who has been proven to be dishonest in the carrying out of his duties as a public servant.

The reality is the Minister will not have a look unless he is forced to by a Federal inquiry or by people like widow bringing these issues into a public forum through the media.

Until that takes place I will stand by my belief that there is a quid pro quo at work in some of these decisions made by TCCA management in the Pacific Region.

[marktheone]

Sure ., call me when you're in town. I think you have my number from a few years ago.

2R: You're still talking about the engine being overtmeped and or torqued? Why don't you PM safetywatch and talk to him about it? I have, in great detail. It is simply not the case. Full stop.

[2R]

Sure ., call me when you're in town. I think you have my number from a few years ago.

2R: You're still talking about the engine being overtmeped and or torqued? Why don't you PM safetywatch and talk to him about it? I have, in great detail. It is simply not the case. Full stop.

Do you know if Safety watch spoke to all the pilots. I am not basing my opinion after speaking to two of the pilots.So maybe they were lying to me and Regency was operating the airplane to the standards required by the CARS and Manufactuers.
Oh but wait ,they had other accidents.
Other preventable accidents.
When a Transport Inspector did not want to fly on their poorly maintained airplanes .Does that not tell you something ?

Mark,You claim to be a friend of the dead pilot.What kind of friend would defend these scum.
If you think that sending young pilots out in criminally maintained aircraft is acceptable.Obfuscating the issues or making personal attacks are tactics used by defense lawyers to avoid discussing the guilt of their client.Suing the government is also a very useful defense .Worked for Tombstone blamed everyone else but the company.


Most sewage workers lose they sense of smell after a while,and some police lose their moral compass after being expossed to the corruption that is in EVERY government .It would seem that some pilots need to have their moral compass swung .

Many aviation rules are written in blood.To send someone out in an airplane that should not be flown as it did not meet the standards is a crime .Proving it in a court of law would not be that hard.Even though the defense may argue that some of the non-compliance isssue's did not in their opinion cause the accident .I would argue that if a company cannot do its maintenance as they agreed to do in their MCM/MPM contracts with transport they should be shut down.
The benefit of the doubt often goes in a companies favour after ONE dent.After an honest investigation we often learn how to prevent further accidents.But when a group of people take it upon themselves to ignore those recomendations ,rules,regulations grief is sure to follow.To think that these are acceptable losses ,a cost of timebuilding is a breach of trust.
A similar breach of trust destroyed the flying publics faith in flying with Pan Am.
Unless the Government uses more aggression to terminate those scumbag operations we will all suffer.Not just through higher insurance costs.Where the honest operators are forced to subsidize the bandits.

The Morning Prayer book of 1542 warns "that nothing built by the wit of man,is not subject to corruption"
The old book uses corruption in the term of decaying .
The air standards have decayed,they have been corrupted ,not by money,but by the very nature of the beast .A baby is sometimes happy to sleep in a dirty diaper.It would seem some pilots have been happy to fly half asleep in a shitty plane.



PS (name removed - widow) some of your business partners will not be happy with heat your mouth has brought to their business.I was once offered a similar parternership with a similar group of people .They are in jail now .Make sure you are at home when the warrant gets served .Cause if you are flying their shit when it gets served you might not like the food in prison ,but we know you already enjoy the prison kind of nuptuals , you sure have a pretty mouth ,even if you cannot keep it closed

[safetywatch]

Some of you have sent me private information related to the overtemping of the blade. The information is really interesting, but without hard facts nobody will print it. the risks are too high. If any of you have any factual information supporting the overtemping I will ensure the source's ID is protected, but without this I can do nothing. You can send me info privately, but it has to be more than hear say. I know many of you were friends with Ed and I appreciate your concerns.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

The ideal situation would be if some pilot were to step forward and admit that they did in fact overtemp that engine and did report it verbally or did not report it for whatever reason.

It would take a very brave person to do that.

[2R]

Having met some of the involved,the only way that would happen is if they where offered immunity from prosecution .

[marktheone]

2R why don't you identify yourself? You seem to be calling (name removed - widow) out on a fair regular basis, and spouting off all kinds of crap that may or may not be fact. I am not personally vested in (name removed - widow)'s situation but I am sure you know that as you seem to think you know everything. Still though, you are treading a fine there line based on a little thing called slander. If I were (name removed - widow) I'd think about going for it. Assuming of course your allegations are false.

Keep talking shit fella. Or close your mouth. Your mind's hangin out.

[2R]

Could the mods move this to the misc forum. If those who pretend to be educated cannot discuss an issue without resorting to profanity,insults and threats

[marktheone]

2R, I was a friend of Ed's. I am not defending anyone. All I am saying to you, for the 20th time, is that the engine was not redlined. That is a fact. In some ways it is odd that the crash and all things around it happened the way it did, but facts are facts. And no, I will not elaborate on that. Next thing I knew you'd have me growing pot in my hangar.

The thing is this. I (as does the other remaining Caravan pilot, who I know well) know everyone involved in the accident. And I can tell you are not one of them. So IMHO everything you say is heresay. This particular accident is not the venue for heresay. There is a lot riding on it and I am confident to say you have nothing useful to offer.

Cheers,

Mark

[sky's the limit]

I've gone through and removed most of the vitriol posted earlier. If you guys want to continue to "debate" (and I use the term loosely) this topic, feel free. That said it will go away for good if you can't behave like adults.

Apparently some of you fly airplanes for a living, how about demonstrating some of that responsibility before posting??? Just a thought.

stl

[Skyhunter]

he was the second person I knew in aviation that died doing what they loved. .

I just HATE this phrase. How many other professions would you say this about???

They loved to fly. They did NOT love to crash.

They did NOT die doing what they loved.

Sorry Widow,,,, If I die in a plane crash... while I am flying, I very much do want it said that I died doing what I love! I have had a few friends lose their lives flying for them it was a passion. We know the risk. I accept the risk.

Don't get that confused however with your campaign for better safety in the industry. I fully support what you are attempting. Just understand, that for me and I am sure many others, please do say at my funeral and in my obituary that I died doing what I loved if it happens to me.

[Widow]

Tell your loved ones skyhunter

I won't say it for anyone. I'd say you loved to fly, but I wouldn't say you died doing what you loved. Not for anyone. I know it does make some people feel better to think that way. It wouldn't work for me.

[2R]

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[sky's the limit]

Tell your loved ones skyhunter

I won't say it for anyone. I'd say you loved to fly, but I wouldn't say you died doing what you loved. Not for anyone. I know it does make some people feel better to think that way. It wouldn't work for me.

Widow,


I've flown most of my adult life, and I can tell you I like it as much as anyone, but I have no interest in dying while doing "something I loved." I love a lot of things, and had I choked to death last night on the crab dinner we boiled up, I would not have wanted my Wife to say he "died doing what he loved...." A bit foolish sounding, no?


stl

[2R]

Pardon the thread drift ,But would getting shot by an angry husband fall into the cataGORY of dying while doing what you love ?