Interesting findings on Perimeter gear-up March/09

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YWG Belly Landing

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Gear Stuck up..
Fun day for some in Winnipeg:

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http://link.brightcove.com/services/lin ... 4628468001

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A plane carrying 10 people was forced to make a ‘belly landing’ at Winnipeg's James Richardson International Airport about 12:15 p.m. today after experiencing problems with its landing gear.

Two pilots and eight passengers were aboard the plane.

With emergency crews watching on the runway, the plane safely landed and there was no sign of fire as it skidded to a stop, according to a witness.

The plane is currently surrounded by rescue vehicles and police. Passengers have been off-loaded, and are being assessed for injuries.

More information will be available shortly.
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Re: YWG Belly Landing

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Let the speculation BEGIN!!!!!
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Mr. North wrote:Let the speculation BEGIN!!!!!
I'm going to speculate that the gear failed to deploy. :smt040
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AndrewJ wrote:
Mr. North wrote:Let the speculation BEGIN!!!!!
I'm going to speculate that the gear failed to deploy. :smt040
Oh that is a bold statment! Can't speculate so soon after the accident... :lol:
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Looks like the crew did a fine job (observation, not speculation)
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I'm not a happy :bear: when I can't get it up. I'm a very sad :bear: :bear: when I can't get it down!
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If it won't go down after four hours
you are supposed to contact your doctor.
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good to see the crew do a great job.
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Liftdump wrote:If it won't go down after four hours
you are supposed to contact your doctor.
Would that involve the "head" nurse?
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Yes
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IS the david clarke really better than the bose?

Looks like the gear didn't come down. :rolleyes:
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Is it a case of the gear not lowering below the airplane, or the airplane not raising above the gear?
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Well they certainly did better than these guys:

(video) Navajo runs out of gas while circling with a gear issue
Detail InformationUser Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2004/12/14
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: C-GPYJ, a Piper Navajo, was inbound VFR to St. Andrews and the pilot was unable to get a gear down and locked indication for the nosegear. It was reported that the pilot circled the airport in an attempt to correct the unsafe gear indication and subsequently ran out of fuel. The pilot force-landed the aircraft short of the runway and the aircraft sustained substantial damage, with one main gear torn out. There were no injuries. TSB has sent two investigators to the site.

User Name: Ridley, Rod
Date: 2004/12/16
Further Action Required: No
O.P.I.: System Safety
Narrative: UPDATE TSB reported that the Missionair Piper PA-31-350 Navajo, C-GPYJ, was en route from Pikangikum, ON to Deer Lake, ON, when the pilot noted difficulty extending the nose landing gear. The flight was diverted to St. Andrews, MB, where the pilot flew a holding pattern to correct the problem and burn off fuel. The aircraft ran out of fuel, the engines were feathered, and the aircraft landed in a field one mile north of the airport. The pilot and two passengers exited the aircraft without reported injuries; the aircraft sustained substantial damage. TSB investigators attended the site. Further information to come when the aircraft is recovered.
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A more experienced pilot would have set it down on the Red River and got an invitation to the Grey Cup.

Anyway, good job guys!
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Narrative: PAG 640, a Perimeter Aviation Metro with 2 crew and 8 passengers, was on approach to Runway 18 at Winnipeg after a flight from St. Theresa Point when the crew carried out a missed approach due to landing gear problems. The right main gear would not extend in the down and locked position. The crew attempted a landing with the right main gear up and possibly hoped to free the gear to extend, however, this was unsuccessful and they subsequently elected to land gear up on their second approach. The aircraft landed successfully on its belly and came to a stop on the runway. The aircraft landed between Taxiways P and Q at 1809z and all 10 occupants were evacuated and were transported to the hospital as a precaution. There were no obvious injuries and there was no fire after landing. Runway 18 was closed and it is estimated that the runway will be closed for at least one hour. Operations were switched to Runway 13. Inbound ACA 261 was delayed during the incident. Two investigators from TSB are at the site. This aircraft was involved in an unsafe gear incident the previous day at Winnipeg, as noted in CADORS 2009C0523.
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Looks like a job well done to me!
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Mr. North wrote:Let the speculation BEGIN!!!!!
What speculation? Gear problems?.... With Perimeter? No Way!!
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HMMM, What did the pilots do to get a "well done" ? Did they sucessfully find the runway? Did they sucessfully not hit a skyscraper? Did they sucessfully not run out of fuel ? Im perplexed, i dont understand :?
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Are the gear hydraulic on the Metro?

Engine driven pump(s)?

What is there in the way of emerge rel?

By the looks of the over-fly shot, no sign at all of anything even trying to open...

Oh - another thing. I see the flaps are partially deployed. The flaps and their attmnt' points are probably fcuked now. Is the lndg speed too high w/ no flaps to belly land without them?

Is there an OMG, my f#%*ing gear won't come down! - "Checklist" for the Lawn Dart?

I'm not being cheeky here. I don't know jack about these machines and am curious. That's all.

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crazy-av. You are not serious I hope. How about, on the runway in one piece and everyone goes home to their families. I can't believe I just responded to such a stupid post.
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MUSKEG wrote:crazy-av. You are not serious I hope. How about, on the runway in one piece and everyone goes home to their families. I can't believe I just responded to such a stupid post.
It looks like they chopped the engines and feathered the props. That was a fairly selfless act, I think.

Probably saved big bucks.

I've never been one to hand out hero cookies but WTF?
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if they hadn't shut down the engines then at least one of the prop tips would have ended up inside the cabin

i've seen it before
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3rd time in 2 years for Perimeter metro's by my count. CTV reported Perimeter claims this is the first time in 13 years for them to belly one in. I guess that's accurate, but what about the 2 up north that landed with only one main down?! Those don't count?
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Re: YWG Belly Landing

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First off, the crew did a fantasic job. The right main gear was stuck in the wheel well for reasons unknown. The crew, maintenance, and flight ops attemped to troubleshoot the issue, taking into consideration the fuel situation, for as long as safetly possible. Everything that could be done was done with no result. The crew then focused on the approach and brought it in for a textbook landing.

The AFM states that if one of the mains can't be extended, then a belly landing with full flaps, and both props stopped/feathered should be made. What you see in the pictures above is the final approach after all the troubleshooting was done.
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