GPS

[High Flyin]

I'm looking to buy a GPS for my new aircraft. At first I thought about getting a 430 and a 696 but the 430 is so expensive. Surly I can get something that does the pretty much the same thing for less? All I'm looking for is something that has weather, GPS, moving map and that gives good situational awareness. I'm looking to spend about 5,000. Is there anything out there for me?

[Hedley]

G396: http://www.canada-shops.com/Magasin/vip ... 748.2.html

or if you want to spend the extra bucks:

G496: http://www.canada-shops.com/Magasin/vip ... 412.2.html

I like buying from VIP - no provincial sales tax!

396/496 are VFR-only. If you want IFR, then
spend the big bucks on 430/530. I love the 530.

[High Flyin]

G396: http://www.canada-shops.com/Magasin/vip ... 748.2.html

or if you want to spend the extra bucks:

G496: http://www.canada-shops.com/Magasin/vip ... 412.2.html

I like buying from VIP - no provincial sales tax!

396/496 are VFR-only. If you want IFR, then
spend the big bucks on 430/530. I love the 530.

Thats why I'm getting the 696. For the cost it provides so much and the 7inch screen is unbeatable. I am looking to get something in the IFR catagory though.

[Hedley]

Get a 530W, then.

[oldncold]

may i suggest a kln 90b or a kln 94 they can meet the tso 129a and are very useable for ifr approaches. I believe that they can be purchased with in your budget. lots of places can service them thou if properly installed cause few problems./ best of luck

[ahramin]

All I'm looking for is something that has weather, GPS, moving map and that gives good situational awareness.

You are not asking for much are you? To get all that in an IFR GPS you would need a GNS 530 GPS and an MX-20 multi function display with a GDL-69A plugged into it. Huge dollars, at least 10 times your budget. For the weather and situational awareness, stick to a VFR GPS.

I'm looking to spend about 5,000.

At this price, you are into the "beggars can't be choosers" category. You might be able to find a used Garmin 155XL or King KLN 90B and have it installed without going too much over your budget. Call the avionics shops in your area and see what used units are available.

[Chuck Ellsworth]

This is what I use, it has everything you would ever dream of for flying including XM weather / XM radio.

$1395.00 USD.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e353/ ... 020479.jpg

Just remove it from the mount and it is also a car navigation GPS.

[nookie201]

There is no in panel certified XM weather solution for Canada. so to get XM weather you're stuck with 396, 496 or 696 or something like it, plus the $600 a year to run that.

I found the 696 tuff to place , to big and clumsy IMHO- space wise in the cockpit, I'm looking for a certified solution myself , slaved to autopilot. I'm debating 430, and 496 as backup in case of lights out (panel mounted) I may wait for KNS770 and interface to my radar, KNS770 software is outsourced to India, I will need to have a good look again when released to market.

I really like the ASPEN as well, but is not certified for A/C over 6600LBS, really bums me out as I really...really like that for HSI, FD and moving map all in one.

No matter how you slice it if you go certified it's gonna cost, for strictly situational awarenes I'd buy an ATC as it gives a lot for $800

oldncold hit it right on, lot's of bang for the buck on the KLN , certified , "low" cost.

-G

[Cat Driver]

No matter how you slice it if you go certified it's gonna cost, for strictly situational awarenes I'd buy an ATC as it gives a lot for $800

Exactly, best deal out there and mounted where I have mine mounted it is like a HUD.

[Rufus28]

I just ordered an B/K Av8tor from Sportys for $675. It comes with a coupon to buy the WxWorx Bluetooth XM Receiver for $472.61 (MSRP $722.61). It also has serial NMEA output (Tested on Trio, Dynon and Tru-Track AP's).

[kamikaze]

I'm in a similar situation ... the 430/530 are nice, but so expensive.

I'm probably going to settle on a 155XL, for the kind of flying I expect to do in IFR (For which I'm not even rated yet), it should be fine. As a privat epilot who this for fun more than anything else, landing in pea soup getting down to DA/DH won't be necessary ... A non-precision GPS + nav's for ILS should be plenty. Also depends on the value of your plane, and whether you want your cockpit to be worth half your plane or more

I have a 296 which gives me good enough mapping and location and reference also ...

So yeah, to summarize a 155XL + a portable VFR of the x95/6 series should give you everything you want for the budget you've got IMO.

J.F.

[skymarc]

For IFR operation, Garmin 530W / 430W nothing else is worth putting in your panel period.

For backup and portable/ XM weather I like the G496, the 696 is too big IMHO.

[kamikaze]

Why?

AFAIK, it provides the following extra features:

- Nav/Com
- WAAS and therefore LPV approaches
- GPSS Roll Steering
- Bigger screen

But also for a LOT more money ... If you already have your nav/com needs satisfied, and you're a private owner, it might be tough to justify the extra cost just so you can get WAAS ... GPSS Roll steering can be provided by an external unit also, assuming you even have an AP, and again, you can get a nice map view using a 2/3/496 for a very decent price.

[Vickers vanguard]

There is no in panel certified XM weather solution for Canada. so to get XM weather you're stuck with 396, 496 or 696 or something like it, plus the $600 a year to run that.


-G

Challenger 605 with proline 21 has XM weather displayed on the MFD....and it's certified here in Canada.

[ahramin]

As well as GDL-69s plumbed into Avidyne and Garmin MFDs. I think nookie may be referring to the fact that XM will not sell to Canadian subscribers. There is a way around this though, even without a US address and credit card.

[High Flyin]

All I'm looking for is something that has weather, GPS, moving map and that gives good situational awareness.

You are not asking for much are you? To get all that in an IFR GPS you would need a GNS 530 GPS and an MX-20 multi function display with a GDL-69A plugged into it. Huge dollars, at least 10 times your budget. For the weather and situational awareness, stick to a VFR GPS.

I'm looking to spend about 5,000.

At this price, you are into the "beggars can't be choosers" category. You might be able to find a used Garmin 155XL or King KLN 90B and have it installed without going too much over your budget. Call the avionics shops in your area and see what used units are available.

Haha I guess you’re right. I should have said I was looking for a GPS that does everything the 430 does for cheaper. I was thinking maybe a Bendix? The reason for not getting the 530 is that, I can get it but I won't be able to afford the 696 which has all the weather and is pretty neat. More than anything I just need situational awareness when I start flying IMC. I suppose I'll go for the 430.

BTW for the people who said the 696 was too big. It might interest you to hear that I had contacted Garmin a bit back and I'm very pleased to say they (or a company they are working with) are working on a panel mount for the 696. Then again, who has room for a huge 696 in the panel? I'm sure you guys already knew that though .

[kamikaze]

You can gett a 430 or even 530 for 5K?

Please, do tell me your secret!!!

[High Flyin]

If you shop around you can probably find a used 430 that's around 5000 before installation.

[kamikaze]

True, but they are not WAAS enabled, and that doesn't include the install costs ... And the WAAS upgrade on a non-WAAS unit is NOT cheap IIRC ... But it's something to keep in mind. Mind you I'm not hung up on getting WAAS ...

Do let us know how things work out!

[nookie201]

There is no in panel certified XM weather solution for Canada. so to get XM weather you're stuck with 396, 496 or 696 or something like it, plus the $600 a year to run that.


-G

Challenger 605 with proline 21 has XM weather displayed on the MFD....and it's certified here in Canada.

I stand corrected then ,

21 Proline info from Rockwell on website maybe obsolete as well;
"The XM Graphical Weather system provides the capability to display U.S. only graphical and textual weather information on the two MFDs"

G

[Vickers vanguard]

There is no in panel certified XM weather solution for Canada. so to get XM weather you're stuck with 396, 496 or 696 or something like it, plus the $600 a year to run that.


-G

Challenger 605 with proline 21 has XM weather displayed on the MFD....and it's certified here in Canada.

I stand corrected then ,

21 Proline info from Rockwell on website maybe obsolete as well;
"The XM Graphical Weather system provides the capability to display U.S. only graphical and textual weather information on the two MFDs"

G

I'm the one who haven't made myself clear, it's certified in Canada but you're right on the coverage, it only displays US weather but that includes all the bordering regions with Canada

[High Flyin]

I was looking at GDL-69A last night. Its seems pretty nice. Excuse my lack of knowledge but it is IFR? How would that plus a 696 go together? If I don't get a 430 and a 696 I can go up to up to 8000. If I did get a 530 does anyone know how much it would affect the resale cost?

[tired of the ground]

General rule of thumb: Kiss at least 50% of your avionics investment goodbye when you sell.

To be honest, in anything worth less than $100,000, I'd toss in a Garmin 155xl. IFR, big numbers for those pilots getting on in age and easy to use.

At the end of the day 99.9% of the reason for a GPS is so you can go direct, without an airway. Weather you have a 5" screen with fancy colours or a monochrome CDI, at the end of the day each one did the same thing. It just up to you to decide if you want to do more flying (with the left over money from the monochrome display) or stare at your expensive toy (which you shouldn't be looking at anyways because you should be looking outside (VFR) or at your HSI (IFR))

[rigpiggy]

other than not being waas capable, just buy the KLN 90. Yes GPS is amazing, but not sure I'd be going down to ILS mins with one

[ahramin]

Jon, the GDL-69a is just a box that receives XM satellite data and sends it to an MFD. No IFR or VFR as it is not a flight or navigation instrument.