... -

jimdandy · Post by **jimdandy** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 6:59 pm

Bud, don't waste ur $$$$$. Go get a degree and become an engineer or something. Ur gonna piss all that $$$$ out and the chance of getting hired is so slim. Go get your degree in arts/bussiness something. do your PPL on the side, join the reserves, and thne apply to the military 1/2 way thru ur degree or when you are done, and fly with them. Then they will pay ur way. They will love u if u tell them ya wanna fly seakings, or flying bricks. Whatever u wanna call them. Just go about it a littel differently than hook line and sinker to the top. And how do u have 200TT Dual?

CessnaDriver · Post by **CessnaDriver** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 7:08 pm

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 10:01 pm

CessnaDriver wrote:I made a mistake not meaning to put dual. Anyway I don't like the military. I already tried that route once and messed up the aptitude test. The worst part was that I was probably the best pilot in the room. I just thought with helicopters that there is more of a demand because it is something alot of pilots avoid due to cost.

Best pilot in the room? No ego problems here.

You sure it was the aptitude test you messed up not the attitude test?

CessnaDriver · Post by **CessnaDriver** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:37 am

groundpilot · Post by **groundpilot** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 8:28 am

Well however you define "bad pilots" any pilots that dont show skill and aptitude quickly in the Canadian Forces get sorted out fast. Its a demanding and stessful training program that weeds out the weak and makes the strong...stronger.

The CF isnt for everyone. Even the ones that get the accepted only 30-40% actually get there wings.

Louis · Post by **Louis** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:12 pm

Are the 60-70% that fail to go through stuck with the armed forces for many years on a ground job?

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:49 pm

No. A contract is signed stating that you are there to fly. But if you do make it through, you're there for 9 years.

jimdandy · Post by **jimdandy** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:16 pm

It was just that I had flown with some of the other guys who got accepted and they were dangerous and did ILLEGAL stuff when they flew

I can't beleive they would do such things in the Military. Damn them to hell!

Seriously that has got to be one of the best parts of military flying. Flying low and fast, breaking mins and not getting in trouble for it. Great times. If u have ever flowen low, like 500-1000', or in a mile vis, practiced forced approach in to a farmers field and over shoot at like 50 feet etc, its great fun! Not considered dangerous or illegal by me or TC. Just what type of illegal and dangerous stuff are u talking about? Maybe it is just standard procedure for those CF guys. Please elaborate.
I will start. X CF guys tells me of taking a Griffin to 22.5, no oxygen. Dangerous? Illegal? Under what rules? Civil? Military?
Another. How about all those kool fly bys we see online of jets breaking the sound barrier? Again same questions.

donnybrook · Post by **donnybrook** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:14 am

I think he was talking about the people in aircrew selection with him......

CLguy · Post by **CLguy** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 8:55 am

CessnaDriver, I know a couple of guys who have tried or are trying to make the switch. It is a long hard road with little chance of success for the amount of dollars on the line. One guy who is just starting to break in after being hired a year ago with a company had about 2000 hours of fixed wing bush time. He got a few hours on a Long Ranger last summer and layed off for the winter. The other I know has pretty much given up and is now enrolled in an aircraft maintenance program.

Remember as a new helicopter pilot, after having finally convinced someone to give you a job, you will be based so far back in the bush that it is the fixed wing bush pilot that will feed you. You will be expected to spend up to 6 months at a time in the Arctic living in a tent or an entire winter in a mining camp 200 miles north of Bum F***, Nowhere.

There are some pretty good jobs in the helo sector but they are few and far between. Good Luck!!

groundpilot · Post by **groundpilot** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 8:22 am

So many myths about the Canadian Forces.

If you fail pilot training you have to march everywhere and stand at attention for 8 hours a day for 7 years because once your in your stuck. The military has you by the balls!!

Just kidding!

Although the military is obviously different in terms of committment in comparison to a civilian job you have many options if your pilot training doesnt pan out.

First of all you can simply get out. No strings attached. Although most people simply "remuster" into a different occupation. Some become controllers, some aerospace engineers, some Naval officers or air navigators. There are a ton of possibilities. Once your in its hard to turn down guaranteed paychecks.

If you are successful you will eventually recieve your wings. After the military has invested millions of dollars in you, obviously they want some sort of guarantee. You will have 7 years of obligatory service, making pretty good coin. As a flying captain you will be in the highest pay scale of any occupation in the military. I know a guy who last year made $97,000 the first year after receiving his wings and hasnt even gone operational yet.

donnybrook · Post by **donnybrook** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:13 pm

you owe 3 years after passing basic.

Pyleosnow · Post by **Pyleosnow** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:36 pm

Hey Groundpilot,

I was wondering how someone could make 97k before even becoming operational. I thought pilots topped out at 90K+allowances (before the most recent raises), and that was a 9 year cpt. Just curious as to where the extra $$ comes from?

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:40 pm

GP
He's making 97K in his first year cause he remustered.
Basic Capt pilot makes (with the new raise) 5331 per month plus aircrew allowance which is around 274 (less than 5 yrs exp) with the raise...soooo 68K as a newly winged pilot, operational or not....not too shabby.

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 12:54 pm

donnybrook wrote:you owe 3 years after passing basic.

Not anymore for people entering for Aircrew.

donnybrook · Post by **donnybrook** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:13 pm

He's making 97K in his first year cause he remustered.
Basic Capt pilot makes (with the new raise) 5331 per month plus aircrew allowance which is around 274 (less than 5 yrs exp) with the raise...soooo 68K as a newly winged pilot, operational or not....not too shabby.

could also include back pay accumulated while training.......

groundpilot · Post by **groundpilot** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:37 pm

FYI

I dont believe it was backpay but VOLUNTARILY went over seas for a few months. No income tax and many allowances when you go over seas.

You dont owe anything after basic. I LOVE THE MILITARY MYTHS!!!!!!!!!!

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:38 pm

Yep, good point. Forgot about that.

DB...are you in Comox?

... · Post by **...** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 9:59 pm

gryphon wrote:Yep, good point. Forgot about that.

DB...are you in Comox?

is that you JP?

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:56 pm

groundpilot wrote:FYI

I dont believe it was backpay but VOLUNTARILY went over seas for a few months. No income tax and many allowances when you go over seas.

You dont owe anything after basic. I LOVE THE MILITARY MYTHS!!!!!!!!!!

Uh no, I was overseas for just shy of five years and you still pay income tax. The allowances only are tax free.

Right Seat Captain · Post by **Right Seat Captain** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 7:25 am

shitdisturber wrote: Uh no, I was overseas for just shy of five years and you still pay income tax. The allowances only are tax free.

Didn't the government change that 2 or 3 years ago so that it is all tax free?

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 10:21 am

Bird-bath.....that's me biatch!! How's 'tings? Married yet? You couples been hanging out I hear......

The overseas stuff is tax free now (recent). For the transport guys who are in and out within a day, it becomes a pain in the butt come tax time.

shitdisturber · Post by **shitdisturber** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 1:20 pm

Right Seat Captain wrote:
shitdisturber wrote: Uh no, I was overseas for just shy of five years and you still pay income tax. The allowances only are tax free.
Didn't the government change that 2 or 3 years ago so that it is all tax free?

Yes and no, it was done for the boys in Afghanistan while they were in theater; but that's the extent of it.

gryphon · Post by **gryphon** » Thu Feb 24, 2005 5:03 pm

Correct...and not done for the rotos in Bosnia for some reason.

But, we went to Haiti last month, and it was done for us.

...

...

Choppers

Re: Choppers

Yeah your right