Norcanair

mirna-mae · Post by **mirna-mae** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:47 pm

Today was dooms day. It was a good fight. Go ahead Jim.....smile. It's ok.

. . · Post by **. .** » Sun Feb 20, 2005 11:55 pm

details?

joebloggs · Post by **joebloggs** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 3:29 am

what happened

Trippin @350 · Post by **Trippin @350** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:27 am

WTF. I guess we now know who is buying the F28s that are sitting in YXE. Be great for fishing season... KMSP drct CYSF! Maybe that will be the end of that Montreal based Convair running CYWG drct CYNL.

tripleseven · Post by **tripleseven** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 7:33 am

Heard that Transwest lost one of their summer charters (Athabasca Camps). Thats gonna hurt. Whats the Saab gonna do Saturday mornings this summer?

planett · Post by **planett** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:18 am

Looks good on them, sorry for the few good guys that work there, you tried to make it a safe operation when that was discouraged by management. That same manager/owner has claimed that the CARS were so restrictive that they couln't get enough work out of their pilots to make money. (100+ hours/ month) He was referring to Maximum Flight and Duty Time Limitations. Must have been all that time in church that helped him see things that way.

GPU_lover · Post by **GPU_lover** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 10:40 am

That same manager/owner has claimed that the CARS were so restrictive that they couln't get enough work out of their pilots to make money. (100+ hours/ month) He was referring to Maximum Flight and Duty Time Limitations

I think you have your information wrong. I know someone who works there and he said they have 12 pilots doing 6 pilots work. They have been flying one Metro for 8 months. I am trying to find out more information on what Mirna Mae the one post wonder who mysterously signs up Sunday night to tell us this iformation.

Once i find out more i will let you know....

Trippin @350 · Post by **Trippin @350** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:13 am

After meetings last night... NCA called everyone to tell them that insurance costs (and other costs) are braking the bank. Who can comment on loads?

I guess after a Metro crashes your insurance would go up! Does anyone know what the findings were wrt the gear collapse in YVC? Maintenance?

The CP office at TWA must be a busy place.

joebloggs · Post by **joebloggs** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:34 am

Will this affect NDA?? I know a few of the metro pilots were rotating out of the north on the ho's. Will they be cutting back on the northern staff as well, now that there is no sched to turn? I feel bad for those people. This one's going to hurt....

Trippin @350 · Post by **Trippin @350** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:56 am

NDA will still need rampies up north. The U mining is booming and they feed lots of work to NDA. NDA had rampies up north driving freight trucks and chopping firewood way before any NCA sked started. Can u think of cheaper labour than a 250hr pilot... or a 5000hr Jetsgo pilot?

One would gather that Metro FOs are rotating in/out of the north because they have to, not because of the chics. So expect those Metro FOs to bolt with their PPCs first chance they have.

planett · Post by **planett** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 12:53 pm

GPU_Lover, there was a time, likey before your friend was there, when two Metros were doing the work of three. Saturday was the only day both Metros were in the hangar together, if there was no charter. Pilots numbered about 8-10 and all working 100 hours a month.

Do you think DW was happy then? No, he thought he paid Captains too much and was spending too much on virtually non-existant maintenance. He dreamed of all the business he could have had if those pesky crews didn't need days off. My information comes from first hand experience, and some of the crews there now will remember those days.

I'll bet DW is waxing nostalgic for those days now, too bad shoestring maintenance budgeting caught up with him.

GPU_lover · Post by **GPU_lover** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 1:17 pm

planett, you assume wrong my friend has been with the company since the begining. He has enjoyed it, was never trouble for him to come out here and visit for a week. So i doubt they were so short staffed. He said Norcanair never had their own AMO it was contacted out to another company. Who apparently got the highest rating possible from transport canada at their last audit.
So make sure you get your information right before you start bashing people. If the rumor is true about Norcan ( unable to get a hold of anyone yet apparently they are in meetings) then lets try to help out our fellow pilots, AME's and ground crew get back on their feet again and find a new job.

planett · Post by **planett** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 4:31 pm

GPU_Lover, read my first post, I didn't slander pilots, I said there were a few who tried to make it work and do it safely. Read my second post, You didn't get what I meant by "first hand experience", I was there at the beginning, and what I gave you were facts. Their maintenance organization was run by one of the owners, and for all intents and purposes was run 'in house'. They fed us that line too about the highest grade possible for maintenance. By the way, Transport Canada looks at paperwork to decide good and bad.

When you have seen good and bad in this business, bad becomes easy to recognize after a while. This is not a slight against maint personell either. They were understaffed and under funded, because DW thinks that maintenance=bad pilots, and now you know the rest of the story.

GPU_lover · Post by **GPU_lover** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:21 pm

Yes i had heard there was a few "bad eggs" there in the begining. SO maybe that is where you are coming from. You didnt understand me i guess when i said audit. Because the situation i heard about was last summer when the Plane's were ramped 3 times each. Then there was a surprise late night audit at the hangar. And this is the what they got rated so highly for because transport was so pleased with so little they found and what they find was handled very efficently apparently.

What i wont argue with you on is the "W"s because i know of them. They couldnt manage a one man ice cream stand. And lots of times when there is idiots for managers, there is only so much an employee can do. NOrcan employees hold you heads high..... there is better companys to find.

planett · Post by **planett** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 5:34 pm

GPU_Lover I guess we don't have an arguement after all, since DW was the problem area In my posts. BTW I was ramped there too, good thing we properly MELed all the snags against our supervisors advise.

GPU_lover · Post by **GPU_lover** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 9:39 pm

I guess norcanair isnt done. Finally talked to someone back there. All employees were told this is a "temporary suspension of Norcanair operations"

SOBDWAJE · Post by **SOBDWAJE** » Mon Feb 21, 2005 11:05 pm

GPU_Lover were you born stupid? Why do you keep defending this company? It is the worst company that I know of in western Canada and makes Regency look good. DW didnt even have the balls to tell his employess about the company problems this morning and did so by fax. Were these the "big plans" you had talked of in the Bush Flying forum? Didnt I say tits up? I feel real bad for the people who work there, and hope the best for them, but really wish the former "YSF Funcop" went down with the ship. Too bad he went to WWA. As for the temporary suspension you speak of, how is DW going to get money when he has tickets to refund, rent, employees to pay, fuel, NavCanada fees, planes to insure etc.....willl his parishioners foot the bill? Doesnt look good for another start up anytime soon with employees of Norcan getting laid off. Enough for now I am sure I'lll have more to say next time GPU_Lover spoughts his wisdom.

joebloggs · Post by **joebloggs** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 1:40 pm

Stick a fork in them for they are done. The word on the street is that they need a pile of cash to get things running again AND the W's can no longer have anything to do with it. I guess they are too much of an insurance liability. Sometimes the truth hurts. NDA might go the way of the dodo as well if they aren't careful DOH! Stupid me for even thinking that way. I feel for all those people in the north, and the laid off NCA pilots and maintenance boys, but not the brownies, never the brownies....death to the brownies!!!HAHAHA!!

flybye · Post by **flybye** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 3:07 pm

okay, who are the brownies??

neverfail · Post by **neverfail** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:08 pm

-no real names please-

SOBDWAJE · Post by **SOBDWAJE** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:12 pm

The "brownies" are the losers who suck-hole to the Websters, with the philosophy that management will get you your next job in the industry. The brownies are so brainwashed that they have now clue that the same people they sold out or backstabed are the people who willl get them their next job. These same people who were sold out or back stabbed, are letting their friends at other companies know what pricks they are so hopefully they will NEVER get another job in the industry. This amazes me that the former "YSF Funcop" got a job within the province at WWA. His little apprentice in YSF is screwed forever for his reputation of sellling out his friends, and being an ass to work for. Word does spread, and Im doing everything I can to spead it. Joebloggs your a wise man when you say "death to the brownies".

SOBDWAJE · Post by **SOBDWAJE** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 5:46 pm

http://www.canada.com/saskatoon/starpho ... 6032ea0212

This is Dave's excuse....telll me what you think.

GPU_lover · Post by **GPU_lover** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 7:25 pm

GPU_Lover were you born stupid? Why do you keep defending this company?

No i dont think was born stupid, but maybe it grew on me

Did i offend you somehow? I dont think i attacked you in any way?
I dont think i am defending this company, if it comes across this way maybe its because i know some of them and they are very good people.

but really wish the former "YSF Funcop" went down with the ship

Are you really that insecure that you have to talk this way about people?

As for the temporary suspension you speak of, how is DW going to get money when he has tickets to refund, rent, employees to pay, fuel, NavCanada fees, planes to insure etc.....willl his parishioners foot the bill?

I have no idea how they will continue on? All i said in my last post is that the employees were told it was temporary. If this is untrue, then i hope the best for them.

Maybe you didnt see my post above : What i wont argue with you on is the "W"s because i know of them. They couldnt manage a one man ice cream stand. And lots of times when there is idiots for managers, there is only so much an employee can do. NOrcan employees hold you heads high..... there is better companys to find.

Maybe i am not that stupid.... i seem to agree with you

SerialKiller · Post by **SerialKiller** » Tue Feb 22, 2005 9:56 pm

Hey GPU did the "YSF funcop" statement hit a little too close to home.

BeaconInbound · Post by **BeaconInbound** » Wed Feb 23, 2005 1:40 am

For those of you who are glad to see this happen to Norcanair, even though you feel bad for the people who work there, don't you think your ill-wishes are misplaced? For some of you who trash with a vengence...it's obvious you must have worked there. But, when you did, you were getting your time in, played the game, and kept yourself in line. Now that you have a couple of thousand hours you've become the ominous voice of the masses against the company that helped you get those hours which, in turn, helped you get a better job. Do you think NDA/NCA are alone in the mire of bad companies out there? Come on. We have all worked at shitty jobs one time or another. Most people don't have a choice in this industry. I can't imagine the NDAers who read this thread will think, "Geez, I'm glad DW got his". There are many people, with families who are now worried how they are going to pay the rent and feed the kids, as well as have the worries associated with moving should they find a job somewhere else.

I, for one, am not happy to see a business that helped so many advance their careers in the position they are in now and I hope they resurrect. Sure, it's a tough pill to swallow, working like a dog for little pay and enduring the endless barrage of problems and bullshit. But, I'll bet anyone here when they had 200 hours and were looking for that first job, a position with NDA would have been as good as anywhere else.

I'm not condoning business practises. My point is NDA was here when you needed them. It's easy to bite the hand that fed you when you are getting your meals somewhere else.