Peninsulair locked out at CYHM by Tradeport!

[flycyhm]

I don't have the TTAF or SMOH for TDS. I know that the Airframe is relatively low and the Engine is past TBO. We rebuilt it in early 2001. It is very clean inside the airframe. Unfortunately it had a very cheap paint job done. When they did the movie with it they put a sticker over the Peninsulair Logo and they pulled off the paint when they pulled off the sticker.

So that's what happened to the paint. I was wondering, because it is not peeling much anywhere else.
What movie was it used in?

I was speaking with Leavens, and they say around the $23,000 mark for an overahul assuming the core is good, plus the prop if needed. So do recall how the prop was?

I think anyone would be looking at spending $30,000 on top of the purchase price to get the engine done, current inspections, and perhaps fix the paint. That does not leave much room for the purchase of the airframe considering what used planes are selling for these days. Am I wrong?

Mike

[Dr.Piper]

The prop is still good. It may need a 5 year insp. which is only a couple of hundred. I would say around 30,000 total is accurate. Of course normally that amount is negotiated off the selling price. But seeing the aircraft is only around 30,000 you would have to negotiate your best deal. The plane was used in a few movies but the sticker was placed on during a 9/11 movie at pearson. You may also see it briefly in "The In-laws" remake.

[hazatude]

Here's the vid with TDS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqUMGNOgZGI

[bluestar277]

C-FTDS

As I understand it TDS has the lowest airframe time of the fleet, although it is the oldest aircraft. Apparently, if I have the story straight, it was a privately owned aircraft that passed into Pen-Air ownership in lieu of hanger rent owing - now there's an irony!

If you have flown it in the last 12 months then you will know that it has a persistant oil leak around the front port cylinder. Also some peculiar ripples on the skin at the port wing-root that would need looking at closely.

Considering the cost of renovation perhaps a nominal fee for ownership transfer is the only realistic price?

[Dr.Piper]

leak fixed. Has always had those ripples.

[flycyhm]

Gotta love ripples!

I do not think the airframe is worth more than $15,000, maybe up to $20,000 if it has a good interior, paint, and avionics. We know the paint is not good, and I did not get a good look at the interior. Guessing from average flight school aircraft, I doubt it is very good. I know it is IFR, so it has that going for it. Anyone know what instruments and avionics it has installed? When the IFR is due?

Looking at the price for planes now, and they are continuing to fall, I would not offer more than $12,000 for TDS, and I am certain they would not take that, so I will not insult the owners.

Mike

[bluestar277]

The market dictates the price - not emotion.

Value-repair costs=price

In business cash flow is everything - a static asset is no use.
Better some return than no return........

[flycyhm]

The market dictates the price - not emotion.

Value-repair costs=price

In business cash flow is everything - a static asset is no use.
Better some return than no return........

I tend to agree, but emotion can play a large part. Ever hear of sentimental value? I'm an appraiser, and believe me, that can raise the price of anything.

Looking at the price range they gave for the Cherokees, $15,000 is the lowest price, and I do not think they had the lowest airframe time and IFR plane in mind when they set that end of the range.

Even at $12,000, putting out the additional $30,000 for a total of $42,000 is still a lot of money for an old airframe.

Mike

[PAJ]

Flights in and out of Hamilton airport dropped almost to the bottom of the national list in February. Air travel declined across the country, but nowhere near as much as in Hamilton.

According to Statistics Canada, Hamilton reported 2013 flights in February. That put it 39th among the 41 Canadian airports with NAV Canada towers.
For the first time, there were no flights at all in the local category — planes that left and returned to the airport in the same flight. Tradeport International, the company that manages the airport on behalf of the city, expelled the Peninsulair flight training school at the beginning of November.

Complete story here: http://www.viewmag.com/viewstory.php?storyid=6812

[MUSKEG]

Gee isn't it sad that due to the projected decrease in flights you will know have to drop the rent. HUH, there's less so lets ask for less and then all is good. Politians never cease to baffle me with all that gobbeldy gook. Whatever they get at Hamilton they deserve. Tradeport is obviously in it for themselves and could care less about the city. Come on Hamilton, grow up. I'm so glad they have that NEW FIRE TRUCK. Should be no problem keeping it clean.

[Hedley]

This is the kind of political leadership (snort) which has
resulted in Ontario degenerating into a "have-not" province.

Great work!

[howard40]

Cyhm is obsessed with getting all those pesky little planes out of there. The landing fee thing drives out a lot of the folks that might like to use the airport for travel etc to hamilton. The place reeks of a "wanna be toronto".
They should be welcoming all they can get to come.
.
regards

[flycyhm]

Cyhm is obsessed with getting all those pesky little planes out of there. The landing fee thing drives out a lot of the folks that might like to use the airport for travel etc to hamilton. The place reeks of a "wanna be toronto".
They should be welcoming all they can get to come.
.
regards

I would fly in there and have lunch at the Warplane Museum, if it wasn't for the landing fee.

Anyone else? I wonder how much the landing fee is costing the museum?

[deflux]

I landed there the other day and one of the volunteer people was telling me that if you tell ATC you are going to the museum they will waive the landing fees...

No idea how true this is.

Whats the landing fee now, 22 bucks?

[Dr.Piper]

I believe its still true. As long as you say Museum arrival.

[flycyhm]

I believe its still true. As long as you say Museum arrival.

Wow! That is great! I have not heard about that before, but I will give it a try! Thanks!

Mike

[kevenv]

I landed there the other day and one of the volunteer people was telling me that if you tell ATC you are going to the museum they will waive the landing fees...

No idea how true this is.

Whats the landing fee now, 22 bucks?

Landing fees are charged and collected by the airport operator not ATC. Is there a provision at the airport that says if going to the museum you don't pay landing fees?

[lilfssister]

I landed there the other day and one of the volunteer people was telling me that if you tell ATC you are going to the museum they will waive the landing fees...

No idea how true this is.

Whats the landing fee now, 22 bucks?

Landing fees are charged and collected by the airport operator not ATC. Is there a provision at the airport that says if going to the museum you don't pay landing fees?

Kevin, I would guess that ATC records something to indicate a visit to the museum in the "remarks" column of NCAMS, if this waiver of fees is correct.

[deflux]

I always thought that Nav Canada collected the landing fees...

I rent aircraft though so I never pay the fees directly

[Greg87]

I've never heard of not getting charged landing fees if going to the museum.... A friend of mine who is with the museum has flown in several times, indicated that he was going to the museum, and was still charged landing fees.

[propsforward]

Are the aircraft even for sale anymore? Were BGG and TJF ever offered?

[hazatude]

Are the aircraft even for sale anymore? Were BGG and TJF ever offered?

I have no clue. Apparently the Whites own all assets and NOT the bank, so that's a good thing. Six months plus and the dust still hasn't settled!