AME "E" Class Avionics Career Advice

[palebird]

From what I can read in the regs an M2 with type endorsement can do all the work and release the aircraft or he can oversee all the work being done and, if satisfied, can release the aircraft..An E license can only sign for the work they have accomplished and they also have to follow endorsement rules depending on significance of tasks.. but that is also subject to the operators own manuals which are approved by TC.. This is a topic that can be discussed forever, long and short of it all is whatever satisfies the companies requirements and makes TC happy.. but on any large jet you will always find an E license taking care of that part of the business whether he is signing for it or not..

I went to Centennial College in TO before I started in the field and did both AME and avionics.. I have had very little specialized training on avionics equipment, it is always "you are an E license, you figure it out " . pretty sad but training is a cost which most people do not want to pay for..
T/s skills you either have them or you don't.. if you have them then they can be honed by practice and the only way you will get any real practice is by working with others who know what they are talking about..

The p#ssing contest that is M2 against E is very tiresome and useless..the E license is specialized and always will be.. people within the industry realize that and appreciate it.. there is a demand for E licensed people and it will become stronger but you have to build your own solid reputation..

[bombardierfixer]

Hey Yutty, don't you like it when your thread goes shooting off into the ditch and rolling a few times? School advice to who's better M or E. It happened to my contracters association, it went somewhere regulatory. I just wanted help buying glossy ads...

[Yutty]

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[NeverBlue]

...I've been in aviation maintenance for over 20 years. I got my first job 4 months after graduating...4000 miles from home. I have never been unemployed...except by choice. I have never worked night shift. I have only had a 9-5 Monday to Friday jobs. I started making $18,000/year in 1989 and by 1995 after receiving my licence I was making $60,000. I now make close to $80,000 (before any overtime)and still a 9-5 secure job with fantastic benefits for me and my family.

...I have never worked for an airline or large MRO!


You can do whatever you want if you work hard enough at it. In 1989 I was told to run far from this industry. Instead...I took advantage of those that did and took their jobs.

I am an A.M.E. "E" and I love my career.


P.S. An M1 or M2 can not sign out an E's or an S's specialized work.

[Vickers vanguard]

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[PJ1]

[quote="NeverBlueP.S. An M1 or M2 can not sign out an E's or an S's specialized work.[/quote]


But a M1 and M2 can sign out a E's or S's specialized work. Any one that has a m1/m2 has a E and S by default. Not saying they are capeable of doing the work but they can sign for it.

[PJ1]

Regardless of what TC mandates, I always conducted my self with in my comfort factor, during my aircraft maintenance days. I never hesitated to go grab a avionics guy to help me out. I never really got too caught up in who's got what licence if I thought they could help me I would ask. I'v worked with peeps with multiple endorsement's, licences and the'y couldn't work a nitrogen bottle. If you dont want to get too dirty go E if you want more options go M.

[NeverBlue]

...if that were true then why do we have "E" and "S"

C.A.R.'s is very clear...the Part 66 requirements are different in levels of knowledge as well as knowledge.


In my experience your response is typical.

"we can sign it out even if we don't know how it works"

...by definition that means we can't sign it out.

pick a typical AMO in let's say...oh...Pitt Meadows as looked up on TC Civil aviation website.

"not allowed to certify specialized work" Why not? The DOM has the licence!

[Yutty]

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[still_bluenoser]

If I could do it again I would take the three year combination course and have more choices upon completion.

I took a one year (first mistake) M course and than a 2 year E course. Got my E liscense and now working on my M2.

Mechanincs with an E background I've found are quite valuable.

[ourkid2000]

That's how the school I went to operated.........it was a 3 year program and you got the basic qualifications for both M & E. I worked for about 2 years as an M2 before getting into E. I've stayed as an E ever since.

[wrenches and radios]

I aced flight school, nailed the M course and passed the E course. E was the most challenging. I now use all 3 licences. you will make more money in industrial instrumentation but if you think working on aircraft will get you laid more often then go for it. I’ve always said this is a passion industry.
There are two sides to the avionics trade: Line maintenance which involves night shifts and travel and fixing other peoples mistakes (mostly made by the M guys) and heavy maintenance which involves installs and making your own mistakes. Bench work is often done by people without a license under a shop certification.

[still_bluenoser]

I haven't met may people in maintenance that had a "passion" for the industry.


Being content with what you make is purely a personal thing. I make more than my father ever dreamed of making as a truck driver, and I'm home every night!


Speaking only for myself, but the industry has been very good to me. I have no reason to complain, and believe many people that do complain are in the same boat.

[moop]

very interesting thread so far.

i graduated from the BCIT 'M' program in December, but still haven't found a job yet. i'm thinking about going back to school for my E license.

[avionicsdude]

[quote="NeverBlueP.S. An M1 or M2 can not sign out an E's or an S's specialized work.

But a M1 and M2 can sign out a E's or S's specialized work. Any one that has a m1/m2 has a E and S by default. Not saying they are capeable of doing the work but they can sign for it.[/quote]


Sorry to resurrect an old thread and not ripping on Peter but only trying to better explain his comment...An M1/M2 guy can sign E or S specialized work as long as he can prove basic training and knowledge (realistically means going and doing an E course at some school)!!! Basically an M guy can sign off on an 'E' or 'S' task, and 99 out of a 100 times no one blinks an eyelid....but when the shit hits the fan and TC comes knocking, they got to prove how they did the work and what proof of experience do they have to support their work.

[ren]

Determination is pretty much what it is all about. If you enjoy what you do, and have the determination you will excel. I have been in the Avionics field for 6 years after taking a 2 year specialized Avionics Eng. course at a technical institute. 4 years of that was at GA Avionics shops were I worked up to engineering full avionics installs. I now work in certifying Avionics/Electrical installs for an Engineering company. Opportunity is out there. I never thought Id have cushy desk job with my own office only after 6 years.

So don't rule out a Avionics Engineering/Certifying career. There are only a couple of Avionics DAR's(Design Approval Representative) in Alberta and no shortage of work for them.

[npa]

Hi
I know it's quite an old post but I wanted to kwow if Yutty could give us some feedback.
Have you completed the avionics course and started to work in this field?
Thanks!

[CentCollStud1234]

I wonder if AME-E able to get an A&P. [asked in another post, no one reply yet]
Does it matter if you are AME-M or AME-E to get an A&P??

[helicopterray]

The FAA A+P License does not have a category 'E', so you have to apply for the standard A+P license.
Yes, an avionics AME can do it, but you will have to pass the written and practical exams on the airframe and engine.

http://www.faa.gov/mechanics/become/basic/

[sahand_bzy]

hi guys

i want to start transport canada examinations. is someone knows where can i find some sample question for avionic and aircraft general?