Hi! I'm 24 and I will get my private pilot license this summer. In the future, I plan to buy an aerobatic airplane (biplan, extra 300 or edge 540) with help of other pilots passioned by aerobatics. Where can you get aerobatic training in Canada? Is there an aerobatic pilot license available in Canada or in USA?
thanks for you help!
Ian
Aerobatic training and license in Canada
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Re: Aerobatic training and license in Canada
Greetings,
There is no such thing as an aerobatic licence in Canada. Basically you are on your own, however there are rules (ridiculously trivial) if you wish to do aerobatics with a passanger. Obvioiusly however the smart thing is to get the proper training. Proper training in Canada is hard to come by and you have to travel usually to get proper training. Especially if you want to step in to something as demanding as an Extra or Pitts.
There are really two things you need to learn to own these kinds of planes (apart from how to earn the money to pay for the damn things). How to take-off and land a high performance blind tail dragger, count on 10 or so hours to get safe-ish and 100's to handle different winds/runways etc. The insurance companies will often demand 60hrs tail dragger + 10 or so in type. Check with them before buying anything. The next thing you need is lots of good spin training to cover the full range of upright inverted, accellerated, flat combinations and entry into them from all different angles. Once you can do those two things, aerobatics can mostly be self taught with sufficient altitude and a healthy respect for G although working with somebody competent can save you a lot of time and money.
Peter
There is no such thing as an aerobatic licence in Canada. Basically you are on your own, however there are rules (ridiculously trivial) if you wish to do aerobatics with a passanger. Obvioiusly however the smart thing is to get the proper training. Proper training in Canada is hard to come by and you have to travel usually to get proper training. Especially if you want to step in to something as demanding as an Extra or Pitts.
There are really two things you need to learn to own these kinds of planes (apart from how to earn the money to pay for the damn things). How to take-off and land a high performance blind tail dragger, count on 10 or so hours to get safe-ish and 100's to handle different winds/runways etc. The insurance companies will often demand 60hrs tail dragger + 10 or so in type. Check with them before buying anything. The next thing you need is lots of good spin training to cover the full range of upright inverted, accellerated, flat combinations and entry into them from all different angles. Once you can do those two things, aerobatics can mostly be self taught with sufficient altitude and a healthy respect for G although working with somebody competent can save you a lot of time and money.
Peter
Re: Aerobatic training and license in Canada
Thanks a lot Peter! This forum is awesome cause people know what they are talking about!
Ian
Ian
Re: Aerobatic training and license in Canada
If you're looking for training on the West Coast, shoot me a PM.ianm wrote:Where can you get aerobatic training in Canada?
Re: Aerobatic training and license in Canada
Free advice:
There really are no aerobatics schools in Canada. At least,
none that I know of, that are equipped with a range of
aircraft that allow you to learn tailwheel flying, and introductory
aerobatics, and then help you progress to Unlimited category
aerobatics.
You want to learn to fly aerobatics? Buy a good, used Super
Decathlon. It has inverted fuel and oil systems, so you can
do a slow roll, a 1/2 reverse cuban 8, etc. It's easy to land -
and you want to develop tailwheel skills if you're going to
fly aerobatics - but actually quite hard to fly aerobatics in
because of it's heavy aileron, slow roll rate, and limited
vertical (because of it's power to weight ratio).
But as I said, it's a great tailwheel trainer, and you can
actually fly it a little cross-country, maybe some grass
strips, etc. Great airplane. And, if you can fly aerobatics
in a Super-D, you can fly aerobatics in anything. Seriously.
It has two seats, so you can contract a knowledgeable
aerobatic flight instructor to teach you to fly basic acro.
You should fly Sportsman category acro and contests in
the Super D.
Now, sell the Super D. Stop complaining. Everyone wants
to buy one aircraft and fly it forever. Give me a break. Did
you marry the first girl who gave you a piece of *ss? Of
course not.
Buy a single-seat Pitts, or perhaps a Yak-55 if compressed
air and metric and oily radials don't bother you. Learn to
fly it as well as you can. You should fly Intermediate and
Advanced category acro and contests.
By this time, you won't need (or take) advice from me
or anybody else. But now, it's time to move onto an
Unlimited monoplane.
Starting off in an Unlimited monoplane is a bit weird,
but hey, if you've got the cash, why not?
There really are no aerobatics schools in Canada. At least,
none that I know of, that are equipped with a range of
aircraft that allow you to learn tailwheel flying, and introductory
aerobatics, and then help you progress to Unlimited category
aerobatics.
You want to learn to fly aerobatics? Buy a good, used Super
Decathlon. It has inverted fuel and oil systems, so you can
do a slow roll, a 1/2 reverse cuban 8, etc. It's easy to land -
and you want to develop tailwheel skills if you're going to
fly aerobatics - but actually quite hard to fly aerobatics in
because of it's heavy aileron, slow roll rate, and limited
vertical (because of it's power to weight ratio).
But as I said, it's a great tailwheel trainer, and you can
actually fly it a little cross-country, maybe some grass
strips, etc. Great airplane. And, if you can fly aerobatics
in a Super-D, you can fly aerobatics in anything. Seriously.
It has two seats, so you can contract a knowledgeable
aerobatic flight instructor to teach you to fly basic acro.
You should fly Sportsman category acro and contests in
the Super D.
Now, sell the Super D. Stop complaining. Everyone wants
to buy one aircraft and fly it forever. Give me a break. Did
you marry the first girl who gave you a piece of *ss? Of
course not.
Buy a single-seat Pitts, or perhaps a Yak-55 if compressed
air and metric and oily radials don't bother you. Learn to
fly it as well as you can. You should fly Intermediate and
Advanced category acro and contests.
By this time, you won't need (or take) advice from me
or anybody else. But now, it's time to move onto an
Unlimited monoplane.
Starting off in an Unlimited monoplane is a bit weird,
but hey, if you've got the cash, why not?
